the sc61 vs. the t3/t04e
sc61-$775
t3/t4-$550 (average)
(that's $225 more)
sc61-360 degreee
t3/t4-270 degree
(360 degree upgrade is $75, so that's $150 difference)
sc61-5 bolt housing
t3/t4-4 bolt housing
(5 bolt is $60 more, so that's $90)

now i realize that $90 is that much, but if the turbo is put together that way, it should cost less than to buy one and upgrade it, right? anyway...other than that, they are the same, right? if precision uses all garrett parts (except for the housing), and they make the same amount of power....then why do they cost so much?


Modified by BUCKO5 at 11:12 PM 11/19/2003

 

arturbo?

 

actually i got mine for 650.... so what now!!! oh **** son!!!

 

Well its hard to compare when you list Retial price for the sc61. Theres a groupbuy in sponsor forum for $650 shipped!

 

i'm pretty sure the precision housing is ported out also. why is 5-bolt more then 4-bolt? when i ordered mine, the 4 and 5 bolt were the same price from arturbo.

 

Where are you getting those T3/T4 prices from?

Precision is a good, reliable, and very trustworthy place to buy turbos from. That's worth the price right there.

 

Simple answer to your question is because they are proven. They have been around for years. Started out as GN guys, then ran with the Fords at the same time (Steve Grebecks 6.5sec Mustang, RIP Steve) now they have cornered the market with the imports. I have been using them with my Buick since 1992.

Precsion built our twin turbo Buick from the ground up. It was a turn key setup.

 

Here are some reasons. ported housings, custom compressor wheel and turbine wheel configurations, additional machine work to make the larger wheels fit in smaller housings, nicer backplates,customer service etc.... Research and development costs $$$ and precision has done tons of it to find out what wheels work and which wheels dont in different combinations.

 

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..no doubt..it's not like precision just slaps together a turbo.

 

from what i understand, their housings arent just ported, they are their own custom castings that they have made just for them. i dont remember if its the compressor or turbine side or both...

 

well...i never thought that i would get so many responses so fast...(the t3/t4 price is a cheapturbo.com) and so are all the upgrade prices....

why is the 5 bolt more than a 4? and what does it do, or how does it help...

 

The 5-bolt turbine is more than the 4-bolt turbine because it costs more to manufacture.

 

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the Garrett t3/to4e assemblies come with the 4bolt housing. we offer the 5bolt housing as an option to help with some fitment issues on the honda manifolds.
Garrett no longer offers the 5bolt housing cut for a stg3 wheel. so, we must source the 5bolt housing from precision, which causes the increase in price.
the added price for the 5bolt is not because it out preforms the 4bolt. it is just a direct price reflection from the manufacturer.
hope this helps

 

Wow. Everybody was pretty much on base with everything they said. Another point to take into consideration is that the 360 race bearing is a $75 option while we include it as standard.

Everybody is always going to have something cheaper somewhere, sometime. We try to make a reasonably priced product with all new parts and put a warranty on it. Bottom line is that you need to do what's best for you. Buy from where you feel you get the best product and service for your needs.

Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo

 

hmmm.....every 60-1 that we dyno'd did not have the air flow that the sc61 has....we do alot of SCM61's for the Mitsu's and when we put a 60-1 in place of it the 60-1 runs out of gas at 22-24psi...where the SCM61 keeps going until 30+

I dunno....but when was the last time you heard a T3/T4 60-1 going past 550whp?

We have tuned many SC61's past 550whp.....

Howard


PRECISION...good shiet

 

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Definitely all good reasons for the price/

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AR Fab &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmmm.....every 60-1 that we dyno'd did not have the air flow that the sc61 has....we do alot of SCM61's for the Mitsu's and when we put a 60-1 in place of it the 60-1 runs out of gas at 22-24psi...where the SCM61 keeps going until 30+

I dunno....but when was the last time you heard a T3/T4 60-1 going past 550whp?

We have tuned many SC61's past 550whp.....

Howard


PRECISION...good shiet</TD></TR></TABLE>

im interested in this comparison, as i have that 60-1. i am using the .82 a/r turbine, .70 a/r to4s compressor, garret. how are the spool times compared. i will see what this does in a little bit, when i swap my built block in there and go for that 25 psi/550+ run you talk about.

 

I would like to know also cause I have innovative 60-1 with stage v and t04s housing.

 

another quick turbo question....i have been told by many people that the .60 a/r trim compressor and .63 a/r turbine...WHY THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN, and which one is which (the compressor is the part that pushes the air through the piping, into the engine, rihgt? and the turbine is the part that the exhaust gasses spin?)and if i get bigger specs, it will push bigger power, correct?

 

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too often overlooked!!!

-PHiZ

 

The Precision is beautifully ported... I've got a few pics of mine...

Sorry for the blurry close-up...

 

Another thing people overlook is how much material precision uses in their housings. There exhaust housing is very meaty or thick. They do this to help keep the heat in.

 

Anyone use innovative? ive heard just as good of things about those... seems like no one ever brings them up on honda-tech becuase there arent any well known innovative distributors here.

 

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