after I pick up my block from the machine shop I try to put the same crank that was in the block with the same bearing in the correct orders and torque caps 1,5 to 56 lb and 2,3 and 4 caps to 49 the plastic gauge says 0.015mm ? wtf

the story

I bought the block from a guy here in ht i took it home and inspect it .. I spin the crank and check that everything was good to go .. after a week I remove the pistons and rods and sold them so I can take the block to the machine shop and get it over sized I ask my machinist if it was necessary to remove the crankshaft in order to oversize the block and he said yea it was .. so I remove the crank which i didnt really wanted to and I took it to the machine shop , 2 weeks later the guy call me and tell to pick up the block , that it was ready , after that i took it to my basement so I can put the crank in and I put the old bearings in the way they were and torque the studs to specs and the crank wont turn ?
is there anything wrong with my block ?

 

What size bearings are you using? Also you can use a micrometer to measure so its more accurate.

 

make sure it was well lubed, really well.

 

your probably put the caps in backwords or something

 

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bearings are

journals
1 brown
2 black
3 brown
4 green
5 brown
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caps are like this
t belt ) 12345( flywheel with all the arrown pointing to the t belt

 

 

common ppl help me out

 

you put the shims in there? Take off the caps one at a time, and try and see if one is binding up. And, did you use assembaly lube at all?

 

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yea i did now I'am gessing that the block is damaged /twisted or something

 

Dam man sorry to hear about all the new prolems you are having. From looking at the list of colors of the bearings that you listed it looks like you still have room to insert thinner bearing. I would give this a try and replasticgauge each journal over with the smaller bearing inserted. If this still does not work then I believe you can get the main journals aligned bored. Sorry man hopefully this helps get you started.

 

probably with all greens i should be good dont u think ?

 

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bearings are

journals
1 brown
2 black
3 brown
4 green
5 brown


caps are like this
t belt ) 12345( flywheel with all the arrown pointing to the t belt
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Just curious... what made you choose these colors? Also, you mean .0015 inches, not MM (if you are using the clevite 77 green plastigauge). If you are .0015 that is within spec on most engines. You need to speak with your machinest and ask him how much material was removed, that will help you out the most. My guess is you will need an oversized bearing, so a honda green will not work in your application.

It would also be nice to know what engine you are working with.

By the way, your post is a giant mess. Clean it up so people can actually help you out and understand the step by step process of what is going on here.

 

sorry for the mess

well these colors are the old bearings that the block had before I remove the crank I am gonna get new ones .. in the same color since I didnt machine the crank .. the block had about 50k miles and the BLOCK I'am working on is a b18cR .
when i was trying to put the crank in I put the bearing in the same order (match crank numbers with the block letters ) i torque the caps 1 and 5 to 56 lb and 2,3 and 4 to 49 lb and the crank doesnt move at all even with the same old bearings so there must be something wrong with the block or the crank

 

When you said they oversized the block, do you mean bored the block out or align honed the main journals?

Honestly... you need to pass this engine building task to someone else... no offense.

 

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Honestly... you need to pass this engine building task to someone else... no offense.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea the block is in the machine shop now but I just wanted to know what happend and yea they oversize the slevees not the mains

 

so the guy of the mchshp call me and this is what he tell me .......

2 of the caps were out of round (wtf) by some thousand of a inch lol I was like ok .. so hes said that the block is fixable i'll just have to wait for a few weeks till i get it back ...... thanks all of u for all your help and btw what could cause this problem ? caps out of round ?

 

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..... If you are .0015 that is within spec on most engines. ....</TD></TR></TABLE>

what he said....0015-.0019...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TURBO-WAWA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so the guy of the mchshp call me and this is what he tell me .......

2 of the caps were out of round (wtf) by some thousand of a inch lol I was like ok .. so hes said that the block is fixable i'll just have to wait for a few weeks till i get it back ...... thanks all of u for all your help and btw what could cause this problem ? caps out of round ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah wtf?! out of round? motor musta seen some crazy abuse? or improper bearings?

 

TURBO-WAWA, 0.0015mm it is not sufficient, generally on the race engines it is 0.006mm (0.0025") and on the street engine (boosted daily drive) it is rather 0.004~0.005mm. (main and rods)
if you can make plastigage, the best thing is to take a federal mogul or other, honda oem color bearing are very expensive.
it is just my opinion.
ps: i'm french, excuse my language ;-)

 

well the block is beeing repaired as we speak now