um....to make a basemap that runs similar to an AFC but has the timing dealth with with any DIY ECU manipulator isnt that difficult and as long as you tune rich you wont blow anything....Its really your call but the only thing that really limits these different programs out there are the cars....

Basically what im saying is, if hondata can do it...most likely turboedit, uberdata, crome, ghettodyne, or any of the other programs can do something very similar.

I think if an ******* like me can figure out the basics of uberdata, im sure anyone can figure out how to make a decent basemap and tune it with a wideband....just lean out a little bit at a time, you will need to burn more chips but you most likely wont blow up your engine....

I guess the whole point of what im saying is...you can still work with a tuner with something like uberdata...its basically reading an A/F graph and leaning/richening a map just like hondata...any skilled tuner should be able to adapt.

okay, im done with my rant of talking out of my ***.

 

uberdata is like a sore dick. you just cant beat it - for drivability. this obviously goes for hondata too.

i steer people towards hondata cause u gotta be a computer jock STUD to master the ubadada.

 

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i steer people towards hondata cause u gotta be a computer jock STUD to master the ubadada.
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or sex up a computer jock stud

 

dont make me blush

 

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i steer people towards hondata cause u gotta be a computer jock STUD to master the ubadada.
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which i am not and i chose Hondata.

again, to each his own.

 

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which i am not and i chose Hondata.

again, to each his own.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey tell me this, why did you come into this thread to argue which standalone you got?

only thing i can imagine is you spent $$$ on hondata and are trying to justify it in the face of this cheaper but more complex option?

in other words, why are you posting in here? you've stated your opinion. thank you drive thru.

 

i suppose it is a different sort of mentality...
i will restate my argument. tuning cars in principal has not changed since the carbs era. a good tuner should be able to tune anything you bring to the table. a rom editing software is essentially the same, regardless of the splash screen it displays.

DFI, autronics, TEC, Motec, etc. are not ROMS editor, do not delude yourself that you have ECM on par to those units. you have a well designed, well marketed modded honda ECU. i have a well designed, FREE modded honda ecu. difference in the comfort and support for those units.

questions is, to which the answer is different to each person, where is the point of diminishing return for your money? i cannot justify paying for something i put together in two days. but i am the one who works on my car, learns new ideas in the process. and i derive pleasure from that. you want to make power and have big names behind you with their respective support, reputation and ease of mind. no problems with that, just not for me.
stan

 

one person stated that hondata is useless with Uberteg software. i am stating why i chose Hondata. that is all.

 

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baaah

 

how is it a sheep mentality to dare to try new things? to actually think about what makes a system run? to actually have the ***** to crack your only ECU open and solder with a $1.50 iron?! dude you are pissing me off, buying an overpriced ROM editor JUST because of the name is sheep-like.
have fun with your tuner. perhaps he can talk you into a 1K motec WB...
stan

 

"meh" @ this thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90crxsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is it a sheep mentality to dare to try new things? to actually think about what makes a system run? to actually have the ***** to crack your only ECU open and solder with a $1.50 iron?! dude you are pissing me off, buying an overpriced ROM editor JUST because of the name is sheep-like.
have fun with your tuner. perhaps he can talk you into a 1K motec WB...
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ok ok ok no more pissing contests.

 

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this stuff isn't free... you have to buy chips, pocket programmers, let alone the tools to install the chip, not to mention, it wont be very accurate unless you spend some coin on one of the many available widebands on the market. yes. anyone can download chrome, or uberdata, but what they do with it, is completely different.

It is also about convenience... even if you had a wideband and a vafc w/ the boost chip... you could dial in your a/f pretty conveniently instead of going back and reburning chip after chip until you correct the a/f.

to each his own. to some, it is more worthwhile to spend the $200-$600 + $400 tuning on a hondata, KNOWING that it is tuned and will run correct. Others would rather work on it themselves. you are debating on preference, and there will be no end.

 

I think one thing here is clear: I am a we-todd.

If I, as a we-todd, can suck up my losses, convert to OBDI, and have Uberdata installed and running - and I have - I think pretty much anyone with a bent towards DIY can do it. Have you ever soldered? Chances are, if you're careful, you can chip your own ECU and save a lot of money.

It's just like learning to work on cars. You can *justify* taking it to a shop to let them install this part or change your oil or whatever BS you choose, but there's something about doing it yourself that will always be better - namely, learning something about what's going on in there. You might not do the best job, you might not make the w0rld recArd y0 for peak power, but whatever - at least you can say you built + tuned the car, unlike somebody that just bought their package from the local shop.

I added up the costs for the options I'd want with a Hondata, including the cost of the OBDI conversion since I didn't want the older Hondata 'staged' systems, choked on my beer, and promptly looked for other options. So now rather than still scrounging for pennies to pay someone else to do something I can do myself - I'm up and tuning, for cheap. And I got my OBDI conversion to boot.

And Uberdata is SWEET!

Of course the average power output is lower on Uberdata You think people too budget to spend for the bling-bling Hondata units are going to have the budget to buy bling-bling parts all the freakin' time?

 

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read the following sentence

 

KillerB you're right, uberdata MUST be inferior since none of us who use it can afford built blocks and the latest/greatest turbos/manifolds.

 

This thread is ******* dumb.

Killer_B, you have stated explicitly that you have no experience tuning. If you don't know **** about tuning, then you should STFU and stop trying to tell people what is better and what is worse. Don't comment about things when you are not qualified.

 

he just wants to feel better about all the money he spent....

 

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i agree

 

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thanks for all your insightful contributions in helping this thread get to this state.

 

 

Your an idiot!

I bought an AEM ems and sold it so I could go with a system that I knew everyin and out about. To me its about fun, this is more fun, I know the system, I tune it, i run it. So its not just low budget people using this. My motor is built and I use this. I think you are just ignorant and should pull your head from your *** quick before you suffacate!


Rob

 

you guys are all just mad they dont use chrome or uberdata. different strokes for different folks. get over it, and let them run whatever they want.

i guarantee you if EVERYBODY used this new technology, youd be pissed b/c you thought they jocked your style. grow up.

 

Killer B, I'm in CT by the casinos, I've been following the DIY editor scene for over a year, I do my own chipping,harnesses, swaps, and wideband tuning.

It is absolutely safe on high HP boosted setups. Fundamentally it is the same as hondata.

Consider this, when running off the stock MAP sensor hondata gives you 3 columns to tune boost, whereas Uberdata will give you 5, this gives you more fine grained control over tuning.

Keep in mind they share a common component: the honda ECU. There is really only one way to do things man.

It is an established business strategy to not be an "early adopter" and stand back and watch how things pan out. Hondata has an established reputation, and you feel safer with that, that's fine.



-PHiZ