i hate import cars

Alright, I'm pretty new on here, and somewhat new to the Honda world, but was referred here by someone on AZHT saying that 1700anddroping could answer my question. Anyone else can chime in too. Just looking for a little help here. I need to hear from anyone who has actually built a nitroused b16. And i mean a real setup, not this "50 shot dry in the intake tube" ****. I am setup for a 130 shot direct port, and am getting ready to be tuned, but am now getting scared that it might be just a little too much for the motor. But I need input here from EXPERIENCE. Not theory, not "my buddy had a car..." I know about the theory behind nitrous, and i don't ******* care about your buddies car unless YOU YOURSELF did the build on it. It's a B16A2, 10.7:1, block guard on top, ARP head and main studs, forged pistons and rods, Comp Cams stage 2 cams, Comp valve train, Hellfire Nitrous rings, tuned by Joe with Neptune, and the nitrous tune will be tuned by him also. On motor alone, it put 143 on the wheels, (pathetic, I know). I had hoped for a little more than that when jetting the nozzles, so i'm kind of considering that it's risky to add 87% of the motor hp to it in nitrous. I KNOW that tuned right it can be done, I just have never dealt with this big of a jump on a motor. We usually are running like a 200hp hit, but that's on top of a 525hp V-8, so it's not THAT big of a deal. I'm worried. Any thoughts? I think I'm just worried becuase I NEVER hear about these motors being run this way. If I were going super high comp all motor or assloads of boost, I wouldn't sweat it becuase It's all been done before, and quite successfully. But I never hear about a proper nitrous setup on a motor like this. The closest I get is the expletive-tards who call it NOS! "I got NOS man." Any help would be great. thanks again.




Modified by i hate import cars at 2:05 PM 7/18/2007

i hate import cars

oh sorry. can I not say that word on here? My bad. There's 2 more up there you missed. I'll try to keep that one down from now on.

93supercoupe

u need to calm ur self and just start small and work up.

If ur afraid that 150 is too much then start out lower and work up from there.

Ur tuner is the one that u should be asking not these "fucktards" on HT.

i hate import cars

hang on now. i didn't say that everyone on here was that way, just saying i don't need stupid opinions drawn from what someone saw in a movie. The reason I am trying to get an idea here is that the nitrous jets cannot be changed without taking the manifold off of the motor. it's a pain in the ***. So i would like to run this much if possible, so I can have it all setup when it get's to the dyno. On the dyno, time is money, everyone knows that!

agrn93ls

one thing i would suggest is trying to use a gsr nitrous plate, well a gsr manifold and plate so you can have direct port and easy access jets. i know its not optimal for your setup but your WHP sucks *** anyway lol.

i sprayed a 80 wet on a bone stock GSR untuned except ran it on the dyno to get a good A/F ratio. backed off timing a couple degrees and one step colder plugs. i was usin the plate and it hit hard. i eventually popped a plug, the tip came off, and it scratched the cyl wall. but other than that 0 problems.

with a tune i would say you'd be ok. but i would wanna start with a 100 shot and try that for a while first.

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Chris Tune

its been done a million times... what do u want... the HT sign of approval? or do you want us to reveal whole setups from spark gapping to a/f ratios and total adv timing? if the later is the one u want, u dont ask for much do you?

i hate import cars

God Damn. For all the hype this site gets, all i ever get on here is 99% smart *** answers and bullshit attitude. If you want to be a dick go find someone else's thread to post on. I'm looking for some answers here from people with EXPERIENCE here.
agrn93ls, thank you for a REAL answer. Chris tune, go expletive yourself and find someone else's thread to **** on. I'm not asking someone to build the ******* motor for me, just a thought on the options and possibilities of what I'm working with here. if it's been done "a million times" then where's the threads all about it? I search it and all i get is some for sale threads, dry kit threads, and a thread about using nitrous to cool and intercooler. Fat lotta good that does me.

agrn93ls

I wasnt able to find much either i feel your pain. i am turbo now and would want to suggest it to you but you obviously dont want to do that. and the prob with HT is everyone is quick to pull the trigger and say TURBO FTW!!!!!! which is cool but to each his own. treat it like a 1/3rd size V8, that is what it is, but these motors can take a larger percentage of power increase than most V8's im aware of when you use forged piston/rod combo they can take A LOT if they dont detonate. 130 hp increase is nothing agian IF YOU DONT DETONATE OR RUN LEAN ETC.

i hate import cars

"130 hp increase is nothing agian IF YOU DONT DETONATE OR RUN LEAN ETC. "
YA I hear ya. But there is one too many IF's in that sentance! I guess we'll just have to try it and see! Why have a motor with lots of potential if you're not willing to use it right?

agrn93ls

Exactly... then we will be able to ask you... what will a B16 on spray hold? lol.

i absolutely loved mine on spray the instant TQ is a blast but i prefer turbo now. the bottle was always inconsistent and i hated the whole filling process. but i also went hunting daily.

CoreyR

even though you said not to im going to do it anyways.

i ran 100 shot DRY on my bone stock GSR(not a B16 but not much difference). never had a problem. this is a bone stock motor, theres no reason to be worried about another 30HP with a tuned setup on a built motor.

people are making 1-2-300HP over what the car is making stock, with the motor also being stock. in other words, stop being a ***** and just do it. as a matter of fact pull out the 130 jets and go with 150 or more.

.CUBISH.

pm if you want some info.. p.s. i owned the fastest/quickest street nos honda.. 10.69@136 full bodied street car

agrn93ls

see honda-tech is only 90% ******** lol.

i hate import cars

HAHAHA! YA thanks guys!

agrn93ls

updates? did it go vroom or boom. I love a huge shot, on other peoples cars lol.

Kyle R

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Boner_Ben

With that large of a shot the key is to make sure fuel pressure doesnt drop when you spray. I would suggest start small. I went from 13.7@101 all motor to 12.2@115 on a 75 shot with my stock gsr.

blaze the chemi

I am considering this route as well. Since I got rid of the turbo setup and I still have a built B16 that is just breathing the atmosphere and I miss the turbo. I have thought about buying a nitrous kit and installing it.

I'd rather have the direct port and intake manifolds are pretty cheap and I could have it adapted for NO2.

The question is that the kit say "100 HP shot". Is this estimated at the wheels or the flywheel? I guess it is time to go searching and saving.

agrn93ls

i was always told should be WHP rated.

but when i installed my NOS plate kit on my GSR the supposed 75 shot gave me i think like 46. so that seemed more like flywheel rated. so i changed the jets way off of what they recommended to get 70 to the ground. i went 2 or so steps down on the fuel jet and like 4 up on the N20 jet.

if i remember right they suggested a 36/28 jet for a 75 shot. i got around 40 hp to the ground and it was at 9:1 AFR!! is was off the chart...

i went to a 40/22 jetting and got 70 hp and 85 ft lb and 12.0-12.5:1 AFR.

Boner_Ben

My "75 shot" picked up 106whp.

swapit

i built a b16 12to1 jes,eagle rods.stock head w/springs and retainers,jun 3 cams ran an 11 plug and retarded timing 4degrees.4 fogger directport w/big soleniods 125 shot,and a 255 intank pump and one inline car was a consisent 11.60 car at 115 to 119mph
i also got a friend that has a ef chassis gutted w/stock junkyard single cam d16z6 with a 135 shot single fogger and the car goes 11.9 to 12.0s all day.

i hate import cars

Wow. thanks for all the encouragement and input (and call outs ) I am almost done with the catch can and intake I'm building for it, so I hope to be on the dyno in about 3 weeks. I'll keep you all posted. I think we're just going to hit 150 on it. we'll see!

blaze the chemi

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i also got a friend that has a ef chassis gutted w/stock junkyard single cam d16z6 with a 135 shot single fogger and the car goes 11.9 to 12.0s all day.
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That's awesome. I'm looking to have a 100-150 shot since that should put me close to where I was with the turbo. Anything more would just be sick...personally. There's some things I have questions for, but I'm sure I'll find in my searching.