<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigwig &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what happened to being incognito?

does the rev limits look funny on anyone elses computer?


Modified by bigwig at 4:09 AM 12/9/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>

**** i cant even pull the crap up! I must be a dumb one also but dang someone help me out. I click link nothing ? done read through the whole thread still confused! Help The first post link doesnt work? comes up then gone??? help

 

start here...all you need---&gt;

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata

 

Ok just comes up blank and yeah thats it. I bet its my comp or something strange.

 

Ok nevermind got it Thanks alot Da-Max


Modified by Acronym at 3:43 PM 12/30/2003

 

One last question???? Has this uberdata been used on a supercharged car? or am i dumb and should already know it will cause it does on a turbo car?

 

no, it will throw a CEL on a supercharged car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buraku &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, it will throw a CEL on a supercharged car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, code 17 = Insufficient power, turbo upgrade required.

 

LOL

 

hey gimpy,

there was a miscomunication about my code. it will work with a boosted rom. pease updata the faq! the only reason i said anything about it was because the boost CONTROL code used AC but it didn't even work anyway. however, if you don't have the AC box checked, it will not affect your AC in any way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ndogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey gimpy,

there was a miscomunication about my code. it will work with a boosted rom. pease updata the faq! the only reason i said anything about it was because the boost CONTROL code used AC but it didn't even work anyway. however, if you don't have the AC box checked, it will not affect your AC in any way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Verry nice since i dont want to use AC :D

Another question:
If i change the Compression Rate of my engine to a lower compression lets say 9:1
What do i have to change on my timing ?? and is ther anny formula to calculate it ?? ( because i have to draive the car to a dyno to tune it nicely )

what im asking if i cange the compression rate of my engine what do i have to change on my timing and/or fule settings( to ceep it safe and rich so i can dyno it without blowing something in the first run..) ??


Modified by toxicshit at 11:54 PM 12/30/2003


Modified by toxicshit at 11:54 PM 12/30/2003

 

Personally I would back out timing and add a little more fuel to be safe...

You remove timing w/ a turbo car because a more condensed mix burns faster - the higher the c/r, the faster it burns. So you want to pull timing as c/r goes up because the mix is getting more condensed and hence should burn faster

Hopefully someone that knows more will jump in and correct my guess.

 

If you are on a high compression to start with, and with boost you should be taking out more timing than on a lower compression engine. So if you are lowering the compression you got more safety margin and can afford to run a more aggressive timing.

Why do you want to calculate how much timing with compression?? The Retard/lb of boost will do it for you. I'm sure you already know that and so it would be up to you how much timing you wanna pull per lb of boost, be it 0.5 or 1deg/Lb.

Toxic, did you get my IM?

 

O ok well no uberdara for me, thanks alot for the info guys. Had a friend mention it this past weekend so i decided to look into it. Later

 

Thanks, I'll try it again and let you know. I just wanted a confirmation before I go at it again and smoke something. I believe the battery lead was loose. Thanks again.

 

Is it possible to write a script to boost cut using uberdata. As we all know it's a safe way to control boost if it happens to go above our set limits. For instance if the wastegate fails or if the boost controller fails. This would be a nice feature but I'm not sure if uberdata could cut ignition. Hmmm.......any thoughts?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally I would back out timing and add a little more fuel to be safe...

You remove timing w/ a turbo car because a more condensed mix burns faster - the higher the c/r, the faster it burns. So you want to pull timing as c/r goes up because the mix is getting more condensed and hence should burn faster

Hopefully someone that knows more will jump in and correct my guess.</TD></TR></TABLE> So your saying if i lower the comp dont do annything to the timing and you'll be safe and if it runs like crap advance the timing a little bit..

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by swlabhot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are on a high compression to start with, and with boost you should be taking out more timing than on a lower compression engine. So if you are lowering the compression you got more safety margin and can afford to run a more aggressive timing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So if i lower the comp and i leave my timing alone it will be save and because of the safty margin ill let my dyno tuner do the rest ??
But if i would be getting i higher compression i schould pull the timing back??

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by swlabhot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why do you want to calculate how much timing with compression?? The Retard/lb of boost will do it for you. I'm sure you already know that and so it would be up to you how much timing you wanna pull per lb of boost, be it 0.5 or 1deg/Lb.
</TD></TR></TABLE> I just wanted to know if i should change the ignition setting just to be sure that i dont destroy something because i forgot something

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by swlabhot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Toxic, did you get my IM?</TD></TR></TABLE> Yes i did. did you get mine ??

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quade &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it possible to write a script to boost cut using uberdata. As we all know it's a safe way to control boost if it happens to go above our set limits. For instance if the wastegate fails or if the boost controller fails. This would be a nice feature but I'm not sure if uberdata could cut ignition. Hmmm.......any thoughts?</TD></TR></TABLE> Sounds like a verry good idea. and it should be possible.
Set a max boost level ( just like a max rev limit ) and if the map reading goes past that number cut ignition.. thats my idea of it.
Am i wrong ??

 

Would it be best to cut fuel or ignition in a boost cut operation. Or both. I'll give this script a try.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quade &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would it be best to cut fuel or ignition in a boost cut operation. Or both. I'll give this script a try.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Idealy, ignition. Cutting fuel while heavy in the throttle (high load) will instantly heat things up in the combustion chamber since there's no fuel to cool the highly compressed air. It may only be for a split second before the revs die since the motor is unable to combust compressed air with no fuel to ignite the mixture, but I'd still be more comfortable with an ignition cut, or dumping an enormous amount of fuel at the "boost cut" forcing the engine to bog, but of course you run the risk of damaging the turbine when it becomes drenched in raw fuel igniting on the super heated turbine blades.

Just my .02, I'd like to hear some more feedback on this though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Idealy, ignition. Cutting fuel while heavy in the throttle (high load) will instantly heat things up in the combustion chamber since there's no fuel to cool the highly compressed air. It may only be for a split second before the revs die since the motor is unable to combust compressed air with no fuel to ignite the mixture, but I'd still be more comfortable with an ignition cut, or dumping an enormous amount of fuel at the "boost cut" forcing the engine to bog, but of course you run the risk of damaging the turbine when it becomes drenched in raw fuel igniting on the super heated turbine blades.

Just my .02, I'd like to hear some more feedback on this though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have always believed the same thing as you. Fuel cut isn't "theee deveeeel" but it's not perfect.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toxicshit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> So your saying if i lower the comp dont do annything to the timing and you'll be safe and if it runs like crap advance the timing a little bit..
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, I thought you were raising comp... yes. Lowering the compression will make it less prone to detonation, therefore allowing more advance at the same boost level... I think. I would pimp-slap anyone that called me a tuner. I'm a ghetto hack


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toxicshit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So if i lower the comp and i leave my timing alone it will be save and because of the safty margin ill let my dyno tuner do the rest ??
But if i would be getting i higher compression i schould pull the timing back??

I just wanted to know if i should change the ignition setting just to be sure that i dont destroy something because i forgot something </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what I think, for the reasons I stated in my earlier post... that it should be OK if you lower compression with the same timing adjustment, but if you up the compression, pull timing. Personally I wouldn't boost until you get it tuned with the new compression anyway, so for getting from the shop to the tuners' you should be fine driving it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toxicshit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sounds like a verry good idea. and it should be possible.
Set a max boost level ( just like a max rev limit ) and if the map reading goes past that number cut ignition.. thats my idea of it.
Am i wrong ??</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's the idea behind Hondata boost cut, is it not? Very, VERY valuable idea...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's the idea behind Hondata boost cut, is it not? Very, VERY valuable idea... </TD></TR></TABLE>

ok....cool. I've been trying with these scripts and making some progress but if anyone cares to help create such a script go right ahead.

 

I still can't get 1.63 to run in my car, NVM working on the scripts

1.62 just immediately threw a CEL, 1.63 just cranked and cranked and cranked... it caught once or twice but immediately stalled and threw a solid CEL soon after I'll get it running sooner or later, maybe after the snow storm ends Until then I'm still on 1.2.

 

any updates on a nitrous script?

 

? about using FTL.....I looked in the FAQ and when activated does it ignore the stock rev limit until the disable speed is reached or until you uncheck the box and reburn(or turn off with AC button)??

also have any of you ever tuned for FTL?? it seems like its pretty critical to get fuel/timing right in the RPM range that you'll be launching at

 

It ignores the actual rev limiter until the VSS reads over whatever you set the disable speed to (when you have FTL enabled). Keep in mind you won't actually be going 9mph or whatever, that's just how fast your tires are spinning.