I wouldnt buy one but those look nice. Do i see a stock intercooler, i think so.

 

Yes, but I lowered them with photoshop. I also smoked the front headlights.

But everything else is stock.

 

Dodge knows fast FWD's. While that 3.5 final looks low compared to our 4.4's (B series), what that will do for you is give you traction. Kinda like how the LS tranny does Agreed, it does need a diff, but for 19k with this kinda power, you're gonna bitch? Haven't yet met a perfect car...

Not so much stroke but turbo size - it uses a Garrett T25 - is what gives it that mad torque down low (relatively speaking). Quick spooling turbos will do that. They did that for drivability, not everyone is a drag racer you know.
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It uses a 16g turbo...

I agree about the LSD. It's only a 19k car.

But I believe it's going to be a factory upgrade.

 

Damn, not that bad , im considering leasing one, i wonder how my payments would be.. My beater just isnt cutting it these days

 

lease? great idea! mod it race it. beat it up. return it.

 

all while under warrantee, yay! nah, i dont want to mod it, no need for it, id just drive the **** out of it

 

take the mods off and say gee mr. dealer i dont know why the head gasket blew.

 

They are offering.
Stage I, II, and III upgrades from the factory.

Stage III is 300hp/300tq from the factory with full warranty.

 

I will definately give it credit for being a step up and giving the neons some class and respect.

 

Sorry I was under the impression it used a turbonetics unit.
Look at thr 4th and 5th gear ratio's that's just asking for trouble with reliability.

 

Not that I know of. I'm sure it's a 16g....


Here is a video I found.

http://64.14.193.106/p181510_video_quicktime.mov

 

call me biased, but the wrx is similarly priced and a way better car. i wouldn't be caught dead in a neon......unless it had a hemi.

 

What makes the WRX a better car especially at $4,500 more.

Because the WRX has a better Transmission?

 

Hey jinx, i thought the WRX's were a sliver under 30k? i guess perhaps i was wrong, i just need something nice to rock daily, i cant spend that much neither, how much is the new wrx's going for these days?

 

i got the local WRX salesman fired. they had a specific salesman to appeal to young hotshot punks like me. he wasnt too sharp, thought cats added power and told me that automatic WRXs were cheaper than standards. auto WRX? huh? he said standard tranny cost $500 more. boost gauge cost $350 installed and it was an autometer.

 

$24,195 is MSRP with no options.
$35,754 is the fully loaded Sti Version.

 

you can get a wrx out the door right now for 24,000. how much will the neon of your choice be out the door?? i bet its close to that. now, as far as which car is better goes.....IMO, the wrx will handle better, has better brakes, has more street potential, has more road racing/autox potential, will be easier and cheaper to mod, looks better, is built better......the list goes on and on.

about a month ago i bought a 2002 wrx, black, with carbon fiber dash trim, 5 speed, in dash cd changer, alarm, 30k miles, spotless, clean title, one owner, turboxs downpipe, turboxs exhaust, turboxs boost controller, turboxs stage 2 chip, whiteline springs, and a defi gauge pod with 3, 60mm greddy gauges. i paid 19,000 cash and the thing runs 13.00 - 13.30 as is. drives like a dream. the dodge might have more overall potential with major mods at the track(like being a 10 second car) but we still don't know the reliability aspects of the motor or tranny. as for the street, no honda street car will touch my wrx here in 2-3 months and by only adding another 3 grand(at the most).

 

You said it yourself. IMO.

I would also buy a WRX over the neon. I would never buy a neon either. But then again I didn't buy the WRX when it came out because of the joke they call a transmission. I've been a member at http://www.i-club.com for a few years. I know how many have failed.

The WRX will most likely handle better. Because of the AWD. But that might be because it's more forgiving.

Better Brakes? um From what I've read the neon has some kick *** brakes.

more street potential? Well the neon is going to have a 300hp/300tq version from the factory.

Road race / auto-x - There are plenty of FWD cars doing an awesome job in both catagories. Now this one is going to tear up the SS Class in the auto-x because of it's power over any other FWD car.

Cheaper to Mod? how can we possibly know that this early in the game?
The SRT-4 comes with way stronger internals from the factory. Plus a Stronger Transmission, Clutch, Transmission, and a FMIC... get the stage III Package and you have an ECU upgrade, Fuel upgrade, and Exhaust upgrade. From the factory.

Built better? lol, you're killing me... it's a subaru. You have to know their PAST RELIABILITY and BUILT QUALITY PROBLEMS... lol...

 

i still stand by my post. the key points being:

1. i'll never drive a neon, i don't care whats in the engine bay

2. the wrx tranny is no where near as bad as your making out. alot of people have had problems with it, but the ones that i know personally that do know how to drive have had lots of luck with it. high 11 second street driven cars with original stock trannys.

3. the 300 hsp version (dealer installed option)of the neon will probably end up costing close to what an sti will cost(about 32k) and i know you don't wanna go there.

4. the wrx handles better because its awd as you admit. that is a key to making it a better choice so that is why i mentioned it. the neon will never hold its own against the wrx on a road course.

5. the neons factory front mount is not 1% better or more efficient than the wrx top mount. besides, with big power, on either car, you would need an upgrade.

6. the street potential of a neon goes like this. i don't care what you do to it, based on its weight and fwd, on street tires, the neon will run low 12's...maybe 12.00 and thats with a hell of alot MORE done to it than the 300/300 version.

7. the wrx's internals hold 400+ to the wheels. that has been proven.

8. the neon isn't even out yet and has yet to prove anything. we don't know how its gonna do, but i have apretty good idea.

9. a wrx will run 12's on street tires for under 3000 bucks worth of mods with no nitrous. with nitrous, it will run 12's for alot cheaper.

i never really meant for this to be an anti neon, pro wrx argument, however i do have all night and i have no intention of losing.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 1:55 AM 1/24/2003]

 

Ill keep this post in mind when shopping for a car this summer, lol, but if i can get a new/used wrx for around the same price as a new neon, id definately pick the Wrx.. hands down

 

Since the WRX is brought up... I going to shoot myself in the foot on this one I'm sure of it. The Evo VIII? I'd buy one before either of the others, but that's me. Reliabilty is what I need.

 

Evo will be WAY more than either car and will still use the old 4G motor, but the good side being the aftermarket stuff will already be there. I seriously doubt you will drive a WRX home $24K, and also the difference between $24K and $20K to the average monthly payment on a 48mo term with 0 down and 9% interest would be

$24 - $545/mo

$20 - $455/mo

but 4k doesnt really make a lot of difference, plus dodge will also pull a lot harder to get you into the car you want than subaru will

 

GUYS! GUYS! it comes down to one simple quote:

"You get what you pay for."

On paper the "proto" SRT looks awesome, but the EVO 8 has years of reliability behind it and so does the Subaru. I gaurantee the SRT that all the magazines tested wil NOT be similiar to the one released. After the EPA team gets on it, it will be heavily de-tuned. While all the while the $30K EVO and $30K STi will be quality for the dollar. The SRT will take additional bucks to get that quality. So in the end, they will all be $30K. Skip the neon and get an EVO 8.

Randy

Also, AWD is the best for straight-line and corners no matter what.

 

I know plenty of people who have, but the biggest factor is how much of a down payment you have--and some "cojones" to negotiate with those crooked sales guys .