sorry im new, i tried reading posts and have been left all confused. too many letters and numbers, lol.

im looking at picking up a 88 civic pretty cheap locally. im not sure what series it is but i do know its not a SI.

im looking on turbocharging the civic, now the the current motor has over 340k kms on it so that wont be the one ill turbocharge.

can you guys recomend a starting point? like a block i can buy off of here or ebay and build up and drop in? something that will mount with ease.

im guessing ill need fuel upgrades, will the computer require upgrades as well??

as for HP goals, im not sure what i should shoot for. what ever the tranny and axles are rated for i guess, i dont want to replace the entire drivetrain if i dont have to.

is a mid to low 12 second honda too much to ask for?(quartermile)

again im new and no absolutley nothing of hondas so please bear with me, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

You can definately hit mid to low 12's, You want to start with a B-Series swap. If you don't know what a B-Series is then your gonna need to read alot more before you venture out......You'd be better off getting a 92+ Civic, it just makes everything a little easier.....

 

i would start off with either a LS motor (b18b) or GSR (b18c1), the gsr being the one with more potential, but either one will be able to hit mid-low 12's with the right setup and tune.

search and find out more about turbos in general, youll find a lot of information.
something easire to start off with i guess will just get yourself a turbo kit such as drag, revhard, full-race,ect...

it will come with all the turbo peices you need. from there get some bigger injectors (i recommend at least 550cc), hondata, youll need new clutch as well.
3" piping to exhaust is also recommended.

depending on your tuner and how good he is, you will be able to make a lot of hp with stock block and achieve your 1/4 goals.
if you want to be on the safe side..you may want to rebuild the motor..
ie..pistons, rods and sleeves if you want.

 

i was told that you can build a turbo kit for well under a grand, woudl i be better off buying a used kit off of ebay?

could my goals be acheived with a d series block?

what cars did the b series motor come in?

are the heads of the b series interchangable?

how much boost/HP can the stock b series block take?

will the motor bolt right in? do i have to fabricate anything to make the accesories fit?

will i have to get a new set of b series accesories?

do i have to get a new pcm?

the reason im getting the 88 is because im swapping one of my spare lt1s for it. i do know a thing or two about turbos though as im in the process of getting a kit for my formula.

the way gas is going i want to jump into the fuel efficient honda performance scene and i dont want to get throttled by my domestic driving buddies.

thank you guys so much for taking the time to help a new guy out, i really appreciate it.

ill try and do a search to see what i can learn about the b series motor.



Modified by 93formula at 2:04 AM 5/20/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93formula &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was told that you can build a turbo kit for well under a grand, woudl i be better off buying a used kit off of ebay?
if you do do it under 1000 itll be mad ghetto
could my goals be acheived with a d series block?
yes, but you will need to rebuild the block, but im sure someone has done it before on stock block. i would just recommend a rebuild
what cars did the b series motor come in?
bseries is-b16 from a civic si, b18b from integra ls, b18c1 from integra gsr, b18c5 integra type R
are the heads of the b series interchangable?
yes, many put vtec heads from the b16, b18c1 onto the b18b (ls) to make ls/vtec
how much boost/HP can the stock b series block take?
depends on the tuner. nowadays finding stock motors running 12-15 psi is not uncommon
will the motor bolt right in? do i have to fabricate anything to make the accesories fit?
not sure about the 88 civic, you may need some hasport motor mounts
will i have to get a new set of b series accesories?
what are you refering too?
the reason im getting the 88 is because im swapping one of my spare lt1s for it. i do know a thing or two about turbos though as im in the process of getting a kit for my formula.

the way gas is going i want to jump into the fuel efficient honda performance scene and i dont want to get throttled by my domestic driving buddies.

thank you guys so much for taking the time to help a new guy out, i really appreciate it.

ill try and do a search to see what i can learn about the b series motor.

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the way gas is going i want to jump into the fuel efficient honda performance scene and i dont want to get throttled by my domestic driving buddies.

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word! My turbo B20 gets 32mpg city, and 40+ mpg highway. Just today I took a trip and was getting 42mpg (and even that was with WOT a couple times to pass a few cars).
The car isn't all that quick, but scoots along decently (probably running low 14's - high 13's as is). Nowadays though, I get more pleasure from seeing efficient mpg than I do from a burst of acceleration

Good luck with the civic. My advise is to find someone from HT thats in your area to help you out. I'm sure someone would be kind enough to lend you a helping hand.

 

thank you guys sooooo much for all your help!!!!!!

okay so either block i go for ill rebuild.

as for the accesories comment, i meant do i need a new set of accesories different from what i have? like will i have to buy a set of accesories from a b series motor?

is the d series what comes in a dx?? thats the civic im getting a dx.

are the v tec heads only for the b series blocks?

whats the most expensive part of a turbo kit? the turbo itself? intercooler?


this forum rocks BTW!!!

 

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word! My turbo B20 gets 32mpg city, and 40+ mpg highway. Just today I took a trip and was getting 42mpg (and even that was with WOT a couple times to pass a few cars).</TD></TR></TABLE>

wtf! you get some gooood mileage

 

heres a kit on ebay that comes withe following:

GARRETT T3/T04B HYBRID TURBO

Oil Feed Line

Oil Return Tube & Hose

Drag Manifold

550cc Injectors

185 lph Fuel Pump

Side Mount Intercooler

Set of Mandrel Bent Aluminum Intercooler Piping

Set of Intercooler Hose

Intercooler Hose Clamps

Small Hose Clamps

Large Hose Clamps

Adjustable Boost Controller

Mounted Eclipse 1G BOV

Honda Resistor Box

Faze Boost Gage

Oil Pan Tap

Up Pipe Hose

Down Pipe

B&M Fuel Pressure Modifier

B&M Fuel Pressure Gauge

Turbo K&N Style Max Flow Air Filter

Set of vacuum lines and T's

Set of Hardware

Import Technologies Vtec ECU (Remapped for boost)

if its under $500, is it a good deal? they claim 242hp and 227tq, thats on a b series motors.


theres also a 94 HONDA Civic Del-Sol, SOHC VTEC eng for $450 cdn locally, is that a good deal??


Modified by 93formula at 6:05 AM 5/20/2004

 

If you can get that for $500 than you are either really lucky or somethings wrong with the kit. I'd say that looks to be about a $1000 kit (give or take a couple hundred depending on brandnames)

Disclaimer: I am by no means an expert on turbocharging
The most expensive part of a turbo kit is relative (brandname usually), but I would say if you're going to spend good money on any one part... spend it on fuel management. Hondata is generally agreed upon as the management of choice (especially for us guys that don't know enough about EFI tuning for DIY freeware stuff). Check their website for pricing and options.

I'm guessing that by "accessories" you mean anything other than the motor?
In that case for a B series swap into your EF civic (assuming you get a complete long block):
Tranny, axles, half shaft, corresponding shift linkages, corresponding ECU, etc
I'm sure I'm forgetting some small things. Search in the Hybrid forum and the EF/Crx forum.
If you go with the B series, just buy a complete swap! Simple

The DX came with a 1.5 liter nonvtec sohc D series motor (D15)
There are VTEC SOHC's. Most commonly found in the 92+ civic ex's, del sol si, 92-95 civic hatchback si, etc. $450 for the SOHC VTEC is pretty avg as long as it comes with ecu and tranny. Try to talk him down to $400.
If you choose to use the D series and you want a cheap DIY turbo kit check out http://www.homemadeturbo.com
In all honesty, don't hope for anything faster than 14 sec car with a junkyard D series motor. I'm not saying it can't be done, cause many have, besides 14's isn't too shabby considering the D series are usually 16 sec motors.

 

really so you think a d series wont get me much faster then 14s? thats not good enough!!!

by accesories i mean alternator , power steering pump that sort of thing.

so if i swap over to a b series ill have to get the corresponding tranny etc.?

is hondadata a engine management system or a fuel management system? like does it replace the stock pcm or works with it?

is vtech just the sohc head? could i make my d15 into a v tech??

thanks for the link, you guys have been extremley helpful without ripping into me, thank you very much

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93formula &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">really so you think a d series wont get me much faster then 14s? thats not good enough!!!
You can if you up the boost, but you might want to build the block
by accesories i mean alternator , power steering pump that sort of thing.
Alternator will need to be from the B. don't know about power steering though. IMO You wont really need it anyway. Hondas are pretty light and don't require too much effort to turn. maybe I'm just super buff though
so if i swap over to a b series ill have to get the corresponding tranny etc.?
yes. it'll also be easier if you get a cable clutch tranny for your application
is hondadata a engine management system or a fuel management system? like does it replace the stock pcm or works with it?
Fuel management I believe. Checkout their webiste and do a search on here
is vtec just the sohc head? could i make my d15 into a v tec??
do a search for mini-me conversion if you want to slap a VTEC head on your D15
thanks for the link, you guys have been extremley helpful without ripping into me, thank you very much
no problem </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

first of all, thank you guys soo much. you have no idea how thankful i am that you guys havent bashed me for my stupidity.


ive decied to stick with a d series block, its just cheaper/easier for me to build up the block. its also because i dont know my way around these motors yet. i could swap in a lt1 into a 79 but this seems over my head to me, lol.

i did a search for "mini me" and came up with nothing. ill check on turbod16.com for the swap.

some of the guys use "hack" for the tuning, and by reading about it, i think ill go with a hondata.

any idea how much boost ill need to hit 300hp? any turbo recomendations?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93formula &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first of all, thank you guys soo much. you have no idea how thankful i am that you guys havent bashed me for my stupidity.


ive decied to stick with a d series block, its just cheaper/easier for me to build up the block. its also because i dont know my way around these motors yet. i could swap in a lt1 into a 79 but this seems over my head to me, lol.

i did a search for "mini me" and came up with nothing. ill check on turbod16.com for the swap.

some of the guys use "hack" for the tuning, and by reading about it, i think ill go with a hondata.

any idea how much boost ill need to hit 300hp? any turbo recomendations?</TD></TR></TABLE>

check this out, it might give you an idea.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=851490

 

thanks for the link, that was very helpful. but these things start spooling at 3800?? and full boost at 4500? my lt1 kit im getting claims to build full boost by 3k rpm. but i guess its got 4 more cylinders to push out more exhaust. but im thinking these motors rev up pretty fast dont they?

 

You wont necessarily need a turbo that big. Usually the larger the turbo=the longer it takes to reach full boost.
Just find a nice small turbo that will provide you with your desired powerband.

 

thanks what turbo would you recomend?