teddy_dc2

not really familar with rods, will be sleeving 84mm eagle hd by summer's end, was thinking about eagle h beams, feedback...? will be seeing alot of boost, (500hp+) other suggestion would be helpful.

96vtecI4

scat H beams are whats on my h22 very good.

teddy_dc2

how much power are they holding? and rated at?

teddy_dc2

i'm looking at carrillo and the thing is nearly 3x the price, is it just that much better? also what is the difference between the a beam and h beam?

zexxbo

pauter or manley if you have the money, otherwise i would go with eagle. crowers are also decent but i wouldnt go with the econos

CivicVX94

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1926976

teddy_dc2

well said in link, like your style, rather do it once and do it right. $700 sounds about right, rather spend more and not regret... will look more it it. what i really want to see is some high hp dyno specs...

HamiltonRex

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Topdawgg

check that link posted.....

alot of good discussion in there..

I chose the pauters, alittle more money, but worth it for security

teddy_dc2

another question: going to an 84mm from a 81mm, woudn't things be different with b20 pistons and rods on gsr crank? or do you have to get a new cranks with different strokes to match the new specs???

zexxbo

why would you run b20 pistons and rods?

ExospeedAMcrx

THere are 3 different type of Carrillo Rods

Pro-A lightweight, mainly used for All Motor applications and low hp boosted setups.

Pro-SA(SuperA) is your middle range rod from Carrillo, I would say good for medium to high duty type use. 300-700hp.

then you have:
Pro-H rods which are mainly used for high hp turbo setups. We use them often if planning to make over 500hp. They come in either WMC or the CARR bolts. CARR bolts are used for setups that plan on taking off rod bolts and rechecking often. They dont have as much rod stretch as your basic ARP rod bolts. I would never reuse ARP rod bolts once they have been used ones and taken off the rods.

From what I've seen, Carrillo have the lightest rod out of any of the other comparable brands out there.

teddy_dc2

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i'm not really familar with internal parts, not really sure what different combination of size to get. i'll talk more with my buddy(helping do the build) on what kind i will need...

CivicVX94

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i'm not really familar with internal parts, not really sure what different combination of size to get. i'll talk more with my buddy(helping do the build) on what kind i will need...</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you use an ls/b20 crank you need ls/b20 rods. if you use a gsr crank you need gsr rods. You also will use bearings for whatever crank you're using. the block you have doesn't matter as far as crank/rod choice goes. i'm usign an ls crank in a gsr block...

as far as pistons go, a b20 is 84mm, so some places will list 84mm b series pistons as b20 pistons. most aftermarket piston and rod combo's will work together.

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hope this helped

o and exospeed, i heard that their were problems with the pro-h rods clearing a gsr block and that the block needed to be notched? is this a rumor or an early manufacturing issue that's since been fixed?

teddy_dc2

thanks.

ExospeedAMcrx

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o and exospeed, i heard that their were problems with the pro-h rods clearing a gsr block and that the block needed to be notched? is this a rumor or an early manufacturing issue that's since been fixed?</TD></TR></TABLE>

We've use the GSR Carrillos already with no problems. but was the block sleeved? how big was the bore size?

Sometimes with big rod bolts, such as the D16s, those have clearance problems on unsleeved blocks. with sleeved blocks, they only have clearance issues on the girdle. this is with the Eagle rods.

We're doing another GSR with Carrillo Pro-H this week so I'll see if we have issues on that.

CivicVX94

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We've use the GSR Carrillos already with no problems. but was the block sleeved? how big was the bore size?

Sometimes with big rod bolts, such as the D16s, those have clearance problems on unsleeved blocks. with sleeved blocks, they only have clearance issues on the girdle. this is with the Eagle rods.

We're doing another GSR with Carrillo Pro-H this week so I'll see if we have issues on that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ok cool.I heard this from a friend who heard it from a friend...so it's one of those things.I think it was sleeved 84mm. He just said that the rods didn't clear and either the cylinders had to be shaved/knotched or the rods did.
This could be an early manufacturing issue and I just now heard about it, I have no idea. I just heard it a few days ago and was curious..

ExospeedAMcrx

ya not 100% sure on the GSR setup, we just did 2 LS setups this week with Carrillo with no issues, but we're doing the GSR in a few days, so I'll let you know soon.

CivicVX94

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ya not 100% sure on the GSR setup, we just did 2 LS setups this week with Carrillo with no issues, but we're doing the GSR in a few days, so I'll let you know soon. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds good