riceburnah

in my setup i have endyn pistons with stock rods in my B18B, how much psi can I run?

warwagon

the question is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
how much power will they hold?

99B16Si

the amount of boost isnt relevent but i would say dont exceed 350whp but even that is pushing them. rods have broken with less but then again have survived quite a bit more.

Br1t1shguy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99B16Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the amount of boost isnt relevent but i would say dont exceed 350whp but even that is pushing them. rods have broken with less but then again have survived quite a bit more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn, you have to have some huge ***** and alot of luck to try and make 350 on stock rods. Thats gonna be around 380 crank horsepower on 130-170hp honda n/a rods.

Thats just asking for a block with a new hole.

ndogg

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Damn, you have to have some huge ***** and alot of luck to try and make 350 on stock rods. Thats gonna be around 380 crank horsepower on 130-170hp honda n/a rods.

Thats just asking for a block with a new hole.</TD></TR></TABLE>

does that mean you got the little *****?

people run 300 all the time on stock rods. boosted-hybrid runs 350 on a stock everything. people have run 500 hp on stock rods.

riceburnah

my setup should be putting well over 250 to the ground..we will see.

showtymers619

seen a dx motor goto 400 stock LOL

slipslap

Honda engines are made to last. They are pretty dam tough. And read this and see what you think. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by theoldone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Q: How much boost does it make? Can my stock bottom end take it?
The boost is variable and it goes up to 24 psi with about 17 psi at around 3,000 rpm. Many prototypes have been up and running for more than two years with stock engines. It is not boost that kills the engine, it is bad tuning and detonation at the wrong place/time.
</TD></TR></TABLE> and heres the site in case you don't know. http://theoldone.com/

Joseph Davis

Cool! Ask Larry when I can buy one of his blowers?

Actually, the truth lies somewhere between Larry's claims and the reality of the matter. Yes, EXCELLENT tuning can allow for some nasty power numbers, but in practice I wouldn't go past 250-275 whp on an LS if you wanted any long term reliability. Varying manufacturing tolerances between production runs, manufacturing defects, factory freaks, etc, all play a part in the engines that hold the eye popping power levels for any decent length of time.

jmagner

Modified by jmagner at 12:02 AM 5/7/2004

warwagon

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool! Ask Larry when I can buy one of his blowers?

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:snickers:

slipslap

I wish I could get one to. But i just linked it to show that these motors can take more power then most people think. I know you can make one hit say 500whp once, but only once. Realiability is what we all need. And as J says, in between the truth of having that power and having realiabilty is where there is a happy medium.

Joseph Davis

A number of guys apparently have 500whp stock GSRs rolling around... but they don't last long. I doubt one would last me a trip to the grocery store and back... I like to flog my cars.

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A number of guys apparently have 500whp stock GSRs rolling around... but they don't last long. I doubt one would last me a trip to the grocery store and back... I like to flog my cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Theres been a few that have held for some time over 400whp up here...but then again i would put more trust in b18c/b16a rods than LS rods.

Turbo E

tuning, tuning, tuning.

PY 01-0972

with good rod bolts and polishing the beams the stock rods should handle alot of power but as always your car will find the weakest links
remember detonation will kill even the best aftermarket rods. so alot of factors are invovled. I am just getting into the thought of a turo set up on my 01 type r. there is a ton of things to do to be able to drive it daily with reliability. thanks to honda tuning I am learning more every day!

dennis

Kind of dodging the question, but I just don't get why you wouldn't go out and buy some Eagles at minimum for $300.

haha, and nice one on larry's blower J.Davis

FOrSfEd

I guess since my motor is still strong I will run stock everything for the time being and build when I have too. I guess thats my reason for running all stock internals.

Joseph Davis

The rod bolt is not the weak link of the Honda rod, and has little to do with compressive loads found in turbo engines. Rod bolts really get tweaked at high rpms due to being stressed having to stop the piston as it approaches TDC... and stock LS units *when properly torqued and not reused* survive 8500 rpms with a heavy B20B/Z piston dragging at them. A number of the early Honda-Challenge engines, which require OEM internals, are running around in daily drivers with complete reliability.

Care to explain what polishing a rod does for strength? Beyond the minor improvement that shot peening performs by compressing the outer skin of a rod, which helps resist cracking that can occur under sideloading, I can't see anything else to be accomplished with a stock rod.

ovrbst

how much power do you think a b16a with blockgaurd would hold.im wanting to make 300 whp on 10 psi,94 octane.im useing 440cc inj and a turbonetics ct26.will this be a safe estimate?