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Old 05-29-2016, 12:02 AM
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What camshaft a should I run currently running stock b16 cams on b16 head. Looking for most power and reliable.
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Need more information. Goals, turbo ect.
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Built bottom end . B16 head stock for now will be upgrading Springs and retainers. Turbo kit is an old school inlinepro log manifold t3/t4oe turbo. 750cc rc injectors . Really looking to get 500 to 600 whp
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Built bottom end . B16 head stock for now will be upgrading Springs and retainers. Turbo kit is an old school inlinepro log manifold t3/t4oe turbo. 750cc rc injectors . Really looking to get 500 to 600 whp
Too get 500-600whp you will need a better turbo for starters. Second, camshafts performance may be affected due to the log manifold. Causing backpressure issues, if you went to large.

And make sure whatever springs and retainers you get will be adequate for your decision on cams. Also bigger injectors
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Correct. The springs and retainers need to have the correct spring Seat pressure to work with the camshaft you plan to use. So, it is better for you to choose the camshafts first then choose the valve train to match with those camshafts, versus the other way around.

The housings you listed could hold a variety of turbocharger wheels. If you're running the 46,50,57, or 60 "trim" versions, there's no way your power goals will be meet regardless of aftermarket or OEM .camshafts.

Please also give specifications of your "built" engine. Static compression, bore, stroke, etcetera.that makes a difference as well. .

Again, don't be lazy about typing. . BE SPECIFIC. If you know nothing about your own engine, how do you expect us to help? Be a part of your own process, please
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Youll need bigger injectors. Im running the same injectors and am just about maxed out at 427whp. What fuel will you be using?
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Sorry guys will more specific in my next post I posted from my phone pain in the *** to type on
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What injectors you guys recommend for the power I want.
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Default Re: Lsvtec boosted help camshaft selection

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What injectors you guys recommend for the power I want.
What fuel are you using? You won't get anywhere near your power goal on 93 octane pump gas and your fuel system will need some upgrades if you go e85. Like ls joker said an equal length manifold and bigger turbo will probably be needed too.
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I made ~540whp on 93 octane with:

LS/VTEC (b18a1 block/b18c5 head) 2 liter 9.7:1 compression
Full GSC valvetrain with GSC T1 cams
Ramhorn manifold
T4 60-1 at 17psi
Edlebrock Victor X
ID1000 injectors/340LPH fuel pump/58 PSI fuel pressure
Tuned by Matt Shue

Sounds pretty good at idle as well:
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That sounds bad ***
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It also seems like a dyno with too high a rating for that turbo st that boost pressure with that fuel.. they were being kind to you.
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Originally Posted by duugle
I made ~540whp on 93 octane with:

LS/VTEC (b18a1 block/b18c5 head) 2 liter 9.7:1 compression
Full GSC valvetrain with GSC T1 cams
Ramhorn manifold
T4 60-1 at 17psi
Edlebrock Victor X
ID1000 injectors/340LPH fuel pump/58 PSI fuel pressure
Tuned by Matt Shue

Sounds pretty good at idle as well:
I should have been more clear. I wasn't saying you can't make 500+whp on 93 octane, I was trying to point out that you need a much more efficient setup to do it. Op probably needs better cams, manifold, turbo, & injectors to get to his goal. Your setup is obviously an effective setup without any restrictions.
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
It also seems like a dyno with too high a rating for that turbo st that boost pressure with that fuel.. they were being kind to you.
I think thats the guy with the 85mm ls/vtec.



To OP, its not that you cant make 500whp on 93 octane. Its the point that you should want to due to the more likely hood of detenation
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What camshaft a should I run currently running stock b16 cams on b16 head. Looking for most power and reliable.
Reliability is more on the install / tune then anything. But OEM ITR cams come to mind. Drop in, make jam
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B18b1 81.5mm 9.5:1 wiseco pistons inlinepro rods with clevite bearings or rods and mains. Also with cnc werx css block guard. Stock ls crank. B16 head is stock except slunk2 manifold and 70mm throttle body. For fuel I have a walboro 450LPH e85 fuel pump . I deffenetly plan on upgrading my manifold to something better and also now plan on some bigger injectors
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Originally Posted by dcsports
B18b1 81.5mm 9.5:1 wiseco pistons inlinepro rods with clevite bearings or rods and mains. Also with cnc werx css block guard. Stock ls crank. B16 head is stock except slunk2 manifold and 70mm throttle body. For fuel I have a walboro 450LPH e85 fuel pump . I deffenetly plan on upgrading my manifold to something better and also now plan on some bigger injectors
No need to change intake manifold. You're going after the wrong parts
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Default Re: Lsvtec boosted help camshaft selection

Originally Posted by dcsports
B18b1 81.5mm 9.5:1 wiseco pistons inlinepro rods with clevite bearings or rods and mains. Also with cnc werx css block guard. Stock ls crank. B16 head is stock except slunk2 manifold and 70mm throttle body. For fuel I have a walboro 450LPH e85 fuel pump . I deffenetly plan on upgrading my manifold to something better and also now plan on some bigger injectors
As mentioned earlier you would need a better turbo to reach your power goals. Something with minimum 60lb/min flow rating in order to get ~550whp.
If running E85 you'll be able to push more hp out of the turbo than 93 for example.

If you go with a 60 - 65 lb/min turbo, then ITR/CTR/Skunk2 Tuner 1/GSC T1 cams should all get you to the power range you targeting. Another thing mentioned earlier is that with the more aggressive cam profiles, log manifolds start imposing problems with backpressure and flow reversion - so a nice tubular turbo manifold needs to compliment the cam and turbo combination.
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I am currently looking at a klm top Mount manifold anyone know about there manifolds any good?
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Don't need a top mount for 500-600whp. May look cool, but slows any response for street use.

I'm actually kinda glad I've seen that fad sort of fade away a little.
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
Don't need a top mount for 500-600whp. May look cool, but slows any response for street use.

I'm actually kinda glad I've seen that fad sort of fade away a little.
But there's always your 'favorite' manifold...you know, spa top mount
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Originally Posted by Geis
But there's always your 'favorite' manifold...you know, spa top mount
Don't remind me.
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