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Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by Balor_Gr
I thought it had the same 62mm 6262 had. I somehow was sure it had garrett t3 stage 5.
6262 was equiped with stage V right?
You're right in that the 6062 is using the same turbine shaft/wheel as the 6262. You are incorrect in thinking that any of the PTE line shared anything from Garrett in terms of their parts or profiles after 2006. After 2006, they shared HPC components of Turbonetics, (2007-2011) then manufactured thinner "clones" of the Turbonetics design wheels, and made their own. (2011-Present?) Now that both PTE and Turbonetics are owned by Wabtec, poetic justice may still serve, in which PTE will be forced to use HPC Turbonetics parts again.
So, no. PTE does not use "Stage 5" T350 Exhaust wheels. That's why they used to have a turbo named the 6765, and it turned into the 67"66" 2 years later.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by TheShodan
You're right in that the 6062 is using the same turbine shaft/wheel as the 6262. You are incorrect in thinking that any of the PTE line shared anything from Garrett in terms of their parts or profiles after 2006. After 2006, they shared HPC components of Turbonetics, (2007-2011) then manufactured thinner "clones" of the Turbonetics design wheels, and made their own. (2011-Present?) Now that both PTE and Turbonetics are owned by Wabtec, poetic justice may still serve, in which PTE will be forced to use HPC Turbonetics parts again.
So, no. PTE does not use "Stage 5" T350 Exhaust wheels. That's why they used to have a turbo named the 6765, and it turned into the 67"66" 2 years later.
My info is very old probably. I was thinking they ditched the p-trim on the 66 series yes.
Well i learned something new.I wish we had some results on the tnx wheels strange sizing/trim but they never even left the shelfs.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by Balor_Gr
My info is very old probably. I was thinking they ditched the p-trim on the 66 series yes.
Well i learned something new.I wish we had some results on the tnx wheels strange sizing/trim but they never even left the shelfs.
You're about 12 years off. That's when they ended their relationship with Garrett.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
The Turbonetics F1 wheels are twice as thick at nearly any given point. They are more robust; much thicker at the shaft center and taper off to thinner at the edges. The outer edge of a Turbonetics F1 wheel is thicker than the center edge of a PTE turbine wheel...the pros/cons depend on how you look at it.
I'm pretty certain the turbine housings do not interchange due to the inducer. I'd have to pull the PTE apart and look.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Wow great data.
What TNX info are you looking for?
How they perform per size compared to precision / older F1 wheels (they are different right?)
I noticed they are designed with bigger trim.
Also what are the chances to make a PTE based (moving parts) turbo with turbonetics cartridge/bearings?
EDIT: Ill make a new turbonetics thread because we are threadjacking and this info is precious to be lost in a generic
thread.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
ok
(but yes, a Turbonetics F1 turbine wheel and a TNX turbine wheel are physically different in every area (diffuser, profile, inducer, exducer...etc. Which is also all different from anything PTE ever sold.)
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by Autoworks
ok
(but yes, a Turbonetics F1 turbine wheel and a TNX turbine wheel are physically different in every area (diffuser, profile, inducer, exducer...etc. Which is also all different from anything PTE ever sold.)
looks like daddy mite have to do another back to back test. my tga 5857 vs a tnx 5857. or 5858 haven't looked at the sizes since they came out lol.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by ls joker
looks like daddy mite have to do another back to back test. my tga 5857 vs a tnx 5857. or 5858 haven't looked at the sizes since they came out lol.
That's where the TNX line gets tricky (and probably why you don't see them much on Honda platforms). Similar to EFR/ Garrett BB setups, the "names aren't as cut and dry/self explanatory; plus they cost a bit more. On the other hand the wheel sizing and design are completely different on both ends so you are basically getting a more efficiency out of slightly smaller wheels. Anyway, shoot me an email whenever if you ever want to go over it.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
It turned up on Tuesday with other parts, definitely smaller than my old 5858. Not sure how's that .63 AR will perform at high RPM but will have to wait and see. Thanks for warning me about the exhaust flange Shodan, I ordered one from ATP turbo at the same time along with a .35" restrictor. I happen to have a universal 3.0" flange and the one on the left which came with the turbo fits and seals much better than the universal one to the right.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by blitzman
It turned up on Tuesday with other parts, definitely smaller than my old 5858. Not sure how's that .63 AR will perform at high RPM but will have to wait and see. Thanks for warning me about the exhaust flange Shodan, I ordered one from ATP turbo at the same time along with a .35" restrictor. I happen to have a universal 3.0" flange and the one on the left which came with the turbo fits and seals much better than the universal one to the right.
That's a nice N111 60mm turbine wheel.. No problem with high rpm in that .63A/R... Been done without a problem for many years.. That 5858's turbine wheel was based on the very exhaust wheel you have now.. Too bad the compressor wheel is too large for that wheel.. But.. You should survive ok.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Anxious to see how your build compares to my TS EFR7163 build. My power goals are very similar, but (and I hope I'm not disappointed) I'm after lower RPM torque as well.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by blitzman
It turned up on Tuesday with other parts, definitely smaller than my old 5858. Not sure how's that .63 AR will perform at high RPM but will have to wait and see. Thanks for warning me about the exhaust flange Shodan, I ordered one from ATP turbo at the same time along with a .35" restrictor. I happen to have a universal 3.0" flange and the one on the left which came with the turbo fits and seals much better than the universal one to the right.
The one on the left fits better because it is a Garrett flange. The one on the right is more of s TiAL fitment flange. Your turbine housing is for a Garrett part number. VBF300MG,( vs VBF300M)
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by Balor_Gr
Is that T3 .63 sized volute with T4 flange
or a T4 sized volute .63 a/r like a little bit biggger than the T4 .58 a/r?
Can you please do a shot inside the turbine housing for us to see?
It looks more like a T3 .63 sized volute with a T4 flange (this is the one I got https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchan...de=GG2-3076-T4). I'll take more pictures in few weeks once I've taken it apart as I'm sending the exhaust side for ceramic coating.
The manifold turned up on Tuesday and the flange aligns nicel on both the turbo and manifold side, just wondering if I need to use a divided or open gasket! since the manifold is twin scroll/divided but the turbo is open T4.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Originally Posted by blitzman
It looks more like a T3 .63 sized volute with a T4 flange (this is the one I got https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchan...de=GG2-3076-T4). I'll take more pictures in few weeks once I've taken it apart as I'm sending the exhaust side for ceramic coating.
The manifold turned up on Tuesday and the flange aligns nicel on both the turbo and manifold side, just wondering if I need to use a divided or open gasket! since the manifold is twin scroll/divided but the turbo is open T4.
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
Time to revive this thread. Any ideas of the length of oil feed line for a sidewinder manifold on a K20. -3AN or -4AN line, already plan to run 0.035 restrictor on that GT3076R. Options for running coolant lines?
05-14-2018, 09:32 AM
Re: K20 Sheepy sidewinder T4 divided manifold: What's coming up
