Just a little tip for you s300 guys running the MSD 3 bars...
04-23-2006, 09:21 PM
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Just a little tip for you s300 guys running the MSD 3 bars...
Just a little useful information for you guys out there running the hondata s300's and the msd 3 bar map sensors.
They are very hard to get working 100%. After speaking to MSD I got all the information needed in order to calculate the proper scalar and offset values. Even though mathmatically I calculated them, I still got an irradic idle (up down 300ish rpms), fluctuating air/fuels, and inconsistant manifold pressure readings in relation to the boost gauge.
After throwing on a motec 3 bar it worked fine, the stock works fine, and I even tested out another brand new MSD.
I saw this problem also recognized on the hondata website and I am going to try to get to the bottom of this and investigate a bit more on the scalar/offset values but I thought I would point it out to you guys so you don't run into problems when you are looking to have your units tuned.
The MSD 3 bars are the ones sold by lightening motorsports from what I have been told. They work fine though with the s100/s200 units however... just not perfectly with the s300's.
If anyone has anymore info to post up feel free to lend a helping hand
They are very hard to get working 100%. After speaking to MSD I got all the information needed in order to calculate the proper scalar and offset values. Even though mathmatically I calculated them, I still got an irradic idle (up down 300ish rpms), fluctuating air/fuels, and inconsistant manifold pressure readings in relation to the boost gauge.
After throwing on a motec 3 bar it worked fine, the stock works fine, and I even tested out another brand new MSD.
I saw this problem also recognized on the hondata website and I am going to try to get to the bottom of this and investigate a bit more on the scalar/offset values but I thought I would point it out to you guys so you don't run into problems when you are looking to have your units tuned.
The MSD 3 bars are the ones sold by lightening motorsports from what I have been told. They work fine though with the s100/s200 units however... just not perfectly with the s300's.
If anyone has anymore info to post up feel free to lend a helping hand
04-24-2006, 06:23 AM
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It came to my attention yesterday that MSD actually uses a Neetronics sensor. At least that is what I was told. I am going to test the theory, but this MSD or rebadged sensor in general is giving us the same problem.
04-24-2006, 07:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverbeast »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It came to my attention yesterday that MSD actually uses a Neetronics sensor. At least that is what I was told. I am going to test the theory, but this MSD or rebadged sensor in general is giving us the same problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The neetronics 3.0 bar map sensor setting does not work.
The neetronics 3.0 bar map sensor setting does not work.
04-24-2006, 09:23 AM
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Thanks for checking before I did.
I would like to know what the fix is also, I have 5-6 customers running the MSD/SVE/whoever 3 bar sensor on S300s and all have the same problem.
With no avail I contacted MSD about 2 weeks ago and got horribile customer service and no help.
Let me know if there is anything I can do.
I would like to know what the fix is also, I have 5-6 customers running the MSD/SVE/whoever 3 bar sensor on S300s and all have the same problem.
With no avail I contacted MSD about 2 weeks ago and got horribile customer service and no help.
Let me know if there is anything I can do.
04-24-2006, 12:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverbeast »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
With no avail I contacted MSD about 2 weeks ago and got horribile customer service and no help.
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They were pretty helpful when I called. The customer picked his car up this afternoon so I did not have any further time to try and trouble shoot this issue. I think overall it's just easier to run a true GM or MoTec 3 bar and call it a day
With no avail I contacted MSD about 2 weeks ago and got horribile customer service and no help.
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They were pretty helpful when I called. The customer picked his car up this afternoon so I did not have any further time to try and trouble shoot this issue. I think overall it's just easier to run a true GM or MoTec 3 bar and call it a day
04-24-2006, 01:12 PM
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Re: (PrecisionH23a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They were pretty helpful when I called. The customer picked his car up this afternoon so I did not have any further time to try and trouble shoot this issue. I think overall it's just easier to run a true GM or MoTec 3 bar and call it a day </TD></TR></TABLE>
I have to agree 110%. Customers just need to pay for the MoTec and be done. They are calibrated correctly as well as the Neetronics.
They were pretty helpful when I called. The customer picked his car up this afternoon so I did not have any further time to try and trouble shoot this issue. I think overall it's just easier to run a true GM or MoTec 3 bar and call it a day
</TD></TR></TABLE>I have to agree 110%. Customers just need to pay for the MoTec and be done. They are calibrated correctly as well as the Neetronics.
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