MSD and Hondata problems???
07-29-2003, 09:43 AM
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MSD and Hondata problems???
Does anyone have any problems running Hondata with MSD? I have heard a couple stories of coils going and high rpm cutouts which were all believed to me MSD related. I am about ready to put my setup together but don't want to install this if it is going to be a problem. 
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07-29-2003, 09:49 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (Kwuaymaikrup)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kwuaymaikrup »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone have any problems running Hondata with MSD? I have heard a couple stories of coils going and high rpm cutouts which were all believed to me MSD related. I am about ready to put my setup together but don't want to install this if it is going to be a problem. TIA
-Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>
My car died on me twice yesterday puttering around <35mph... I am running the EMS + MSD Digital 6+, MSD cap, and MSD Blaster 2 coil. I have heard some shitty things about the blaster 2 coil, I think that may be the culprit. My car was also misfiring a few times. Turned it off, waited 15 minutes and topped the oil off, got in and drove for 2 hours without a single hiccup. It's either my EMS or the coil I am guessing, basically I am saying I would avoid the Blaster 2 coil and get the SS coil instead I have heard that one is more reliable.
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My car died on me twice yesterday puttering around <35mph... I am running the EMS + MSD Digital 6+, MSD cap, and MSD Blaster 2 coil. I have heard some shitty things about the blaster 2 coil, I think that may be the culprit. My car was also misfiring a few times. Turned it off, waited 15 minutes and topped the oil off, got in and drove for 2 hours without a single hiccup. It's either my EMS or the coil I am guessing, basically I am saying I would avoid the Blaster 2 coil and get the SS coil instead I have heard that one is more reliable.
07-29-2003, 10:29 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (b16matt)
I have heard some using the stock ignition in excess of 550whp...but I have also heard that the MSD is solid investment.....*shrugs*
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07-29-2003, 10:32 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (Kwuaymaikrup)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kwuaymaikrup »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have heard some using the stock ignition in excess of 550whp...but I have also heard that the MSD is solid investment.....*shrugs*
-Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>
Improved idle, smoother accelleration, stronger spark are all nice benefits but stock has been proven to be sufficient in a lot of cases... It's pretty much just personal opinion as to whether it will benefit you
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Improved idle, smoother accelleration, stronger spark are all nice benefits but stock has been proven to be sufficient in a lot of cases... It's pretty much just personal opinion as to whether it will benefit you
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07-29-2003, 10:43 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (itr206)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i never had probs with mine, i run full MSD everything </TD></TR></TABLE>
Me too except I use a crane LX-91 coil instead of the MSD. Never had a problem with any of it after 4 years.
Me too except I use a crane LX-91 coil instead of the MSD. Never had a problem with any of it after 4 years.
07-29-2003, 11:37 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (jerseykid609)
Man, to those who say the MSD ignition is not needed and stock is fine...
YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!
Ok, I gapped my plugs to .030" and I get mad misfire at 15psi. I install the MSD 6A and Blaster SS and all misfire is gone. Proof positive.
I'd love to see 500 hp on a stock ignition
I can't possibly explain that. Those plugs would have to be gapped at .020" or something.
YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!
Ok, I gapped my plugs to .030" and I get mad misfire at 15psi. I install the MSD 6A and Blaster SS and all misfire is gone. Proof positive.
I'd love to see 500 hp on a stock ignition
I can't possibly explain that. Those plugs would have to be gapped at .020" or something.
07-29-2003, 11:45 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (glagola1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by glagola1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, to those who say the MSD ignition is not needed and stock is fine...
YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!
Ok, I gapped my plugs to .030" and I get mad misfire at 15psi. I install the MSD 6A and Blaster SS and all misfire is gone. Proof positive.
I'd love to see 500 hp on a stock ignition I can't possibly explain that. Those plugs would have to be gapped at .020" or something. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Stock wires and all... its been done before and has been discussed in similar threads
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=562509
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=571756
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=558734
Tons more threads out there, these are just a few I snagged quickly
Talk to St00pid or VaporTrail about their 400-500+ whp hondas using the bone stock ignition
YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!
Ok, I gapped my plugs to .030" and I get mad misfire at 15psi. I install the MSD 6A and Blaster SS and all misfire is gone. Proof positive.
I'd love to see 500 hp on a stock ignition
I can't possibly explain that. Those plugs would have to be gapped at .020" or something. </TD></TR></TABLE>Stock wires and all... its been done before and has been discussed in similar threads
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=562509
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=571756
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=558734
Tons more threads out there, these are just a few I snagged quickly
Talk to St00pid or VaporTrail about their 400-500+ whp hondas using the bone stock ignition
07-31-2003, 10:31 AM
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OH yes it can be done ive seen a few myself.
i only upgraded mine becuas ei sued mine for nitrous use and the nitrous retard on it . other than that , it was not much use, oh yea the 2 step
i only upgraded mine becuas ei sued mine for nitrous use and the nitrous retard on it . other than that , it was not much use, oh yea the 2 step
07-31-2003, 07:24 PM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (Kwuaymaikrup)
The stock ignition is the best you can get with the correct heat range plug gapped appropriately. I have personally pushed a stock block, stock ignition to 420whp at 21psi. The plugs were NGK BR7KE gapped to .022". Some people claim to have problems with the ignition breaking up at high psi levels, all the cars I have tuned and my personal car has never had a single issue. I have had ALOT of issues with the MSD stuff in general, taking the MSD off and returning the ignition to stock cures the problems. The only way I would go with an aftermarket ignition is a DIS system, but Hondata surely wouldnt be in the picture.
07-31-2003, 07:37 PM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (boosted hybrid)
i personally seen both work well! but every car exepts it different. some do better with msd than others and vice versa.
but my freind went from a stock ecu to hondata w/ msd and blew up 5 motors. went back to stock ecu and hasnt blown any. so im not sure what that means??? you decide!!!???
but my freind went from a stock ecu to hondata w/ msd and blew up 5 motors. went back to stock ecu and hasnt blown any. so im not sure what that means??? you decide!!!???
08-01-2003, 06:38 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (Benbuilt4u)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Benbuilt4u »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally seen both work well! but every car exepts it different. some do better with msd than others and vice versa.
but my freind went from a stock ecu to hondata w/ msd and blew up 5 motors. went back to stock ecu and hasnt blown any. so im not sure what that means??? you decide!!!???</TD></TR></TABLE>
It means he doesn't have a properly tuned Hondata
but my freind went from a stock ecu to hondata w/ msd and blew up 5 motors. went back to stock ecu and hasnt blown any. so im not sure what that means??? you decide!!!???</TD></TR></TABLE>
It means he doesn't have a properly tuned Hondata
08-01-2003, 08:15 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (mskibbz-T)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mskibbz-T »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It means he doesn't have a properly tuned Hondata </TD></TR></TABLE> So true 
It means he doesn't have a properly tuned Hondata
</TD></TR></TABLE> So true
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (Eyetattoo)
I have ran into problems recently, thou i haven't pinpointed the problem i have MSD 6A and SS Blaster Coil and Hondata. My car is dying at idle sometimes. It happens when it is hot and on a warm start. It will die when i push in the clutch to stop after accelerating. This only happens sometimes tho, not everytime I push in the clutch to stop.
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (boosted hybrid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The stock ignition is the best you can get with the correct heat range plug gapped appropriately. I have personally pushed a stock block, stock ignition to 420whp at 21psi. The plugs were NGK BR7KE gapped to .022". Some people claim to have problems with the ignition breaking up at high psi levels, all the cars I have tuned and my personal car has never had a single issue. I have had ALOT of issues with the MSD stuff in general, taking the MSD off and returning the ignition to stock cures the problems. The only way I would go with an aftermarket ignition is a DIS system, but Hondata surely wouldnt be in the picture.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said. The plugs would have to be gapped a .02" Isn't that a little rediculous?
Like I said. The plugs would have to be gapped a .02" Isn't that a little rediculous?
08-01-2003, 11:37 AM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (glagola1)
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Like I said. The plugs would have to be gapped a .02" Isn't that a little rediculous? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not if it saves you all the headaches. I think 420whp in a street car is rediculous,,,, hehehe.
Like I said. The plugs would have to be gapped a .02" Isn't that a little rediculous? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not if it saves you all the headaches. I think 420whp in a street car is rediculous,,,, hehehe.
08-01-2003, 07:07 PM
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Re: MSD and Hondata problems??? (glagola1)
Gapping the plugs to .022" was on race gas for the track, so no it wasnt ridiculous. I ran a .028" gap making 325whp on pump gas with that same set-up at 14psi, which is completely normal gapping for street usage. The car actually idled fairly well at idle and drove well partial throttle with such a close gap, I dunno i didnt mind a bit. You have to give something up running alot of power.
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hey corey, i had that same problem with my msd 6al, blaster 3 coil,, and msd cap, with my hondata 2b on a Drag'd 98 gsr/in a hatch,, i put the stock ignition back in and i got the same ****,, the ignition had nothing to do with the problem so far,, i figure, msd isnt used on almost every drag car ive ever seen for no reason at all, there is an advantage for having a stronger spark,,,, from what i heard from an msd rep, is that a few years ago when the systems first came about,, the box's werent to weatherproof or some **** like that , and they had alot of sealing problems, but from what i understand its been corrected, so i dont know, thats just what i heard,,,,and my opinion, later
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