3minburnout

post your highest hp on pump gas 93,also post your setups like cr to go with it, just trying to see whats the highest people have gone on honda motors. i know the evos are almost if not in the 600 range on 93. was just wondering if our engines were/are capable of the same


Modified by 3minburnout at 3:12 AM 11/3/2008


Modified by 3minburnout at 7:40 AM 11/3/2008

spoolin turbo s

e85 shouldn't count thats almost as good as race gas

i've over 500 over on jeff evans dyno library

3minburnout

fixed no e85, whats your setup?

96 GSR-T

2 identical setups wont achieve you the same power, big power on pump has alot to do with your head, cams and exhaust, every engine is different.

I wouldnt expect to see much power over 550whp on pump in a B/K, really not worth the risk.

3minburnout

so do you guys think/know that the 4g63 evo head flows better than b/k head? why do those engines do so well on 93 pump gas? has any one done over 560whp? i think thats the highest i have seen for a honda and it was on a b on 93 pump gas. i know that the evo owners are not scared to tune that high,but the high pump gas evo's always do have head work,cams,intake manifold.


Modified by 3minburnout at 6:58 AM 11/3/2008

Schister66

The 4G63 head doesn't flow nearly as well as most Honda heads. With some headwork and crazy cams, they're probably on par with what we get stock.

Anyway, the reason that Honda guys dont care to push pump gas while Evos do is that we can't really put 550+whp to the ground on the street. There's just no point to push a FWD setup that far when you simply can't get traction. On the other hand, Evo guys can traction and put that power to the ground which is why they push their cars/setups on pump gas.

That's my take on the matter anyway...

BEEYOND

350-370whp in a hatchback or 380-420whp in a coupe with m&h street slicks(235/60/15)is all you need to be competitive on the street w/say 500-550whp STI/WRX/EVO.

no need for more power in a FWD.....Premium gas is more then enough for 400whp or so...

Schister66

^^I agree. I think i'm pushing my luck on the street when i shoot for 450whp. Thankfully i bought a sweet EBC so i hope i can catch some kind of traction. Gotta love E85 at the pumps

3minburnout

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 4G63 head doesn't flow nearly as well as most Honda heads. With some headwork and crazy cams, they're probably on par with what we get stock.

Anyway, the reason that Honda guys dont care to push pump gas while Evos do is that we can't really put 550+whp to the ground on the street. There's just no point to push a FWD setup that far when you simply can't get traction. On the other hand, Evo guys can traction and put that power to the ground which is why they push their cars/setups on pump gas.

That's my take on the matter anyway...</TD></TR></TABLE> good answer never thought of it like that bump

23hatchturbo

I ran my car on the street at a little over 400whp and there wasnt many cars that would keep with it. Its power to wait. And us honda guys always win on that. lol My favorite was guys on street bikes with there girl friends on back trying to show off lol fun times!!

tegman23

Im making 370whp on pump dd, on a b16 thats more than enough for the street....Dont really get traction till middle of 3rd.

totsie7944

I'm making 540 whp on 93 octane pump gas while retaining AC, ABS, and Pump gas, and I have REALLY good traction on the street.

Its all a matter of having some decent street tires (205 BFGs for me, and NOT the drag radials either) and GREAT boost control. I'm rocking the Neptune RTP boost by gear by rpm boost control and my car gets some pretty nice traction out of 1st gear.

Boosted_B_Series

I run 18psi via a 35r on 93 octane with nitto drag radials in a dc2 w/a ITR portd built head & turbo cams.

Not sure about the whp output though but I honestly have never really ran up on anything from a roll that runs with it other than liter+ bikes. 600s, 750s and some 1kccs you row boat away from.

Anytime something on 4 wheels gives me a run for my money its normally a trailer queen track car brought on the street for me w a cage built to the hilt and sprayed with 4 more cylinders against my little 1.8 on pump gas

dollar for dollar, pound for pound, liter for liter these little turbo hondas can be bad little funny sounding bitches.

pcguy760

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by totsie7944 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm making 540 whp on 93 octane pump gas while retaining AC, ABS, and Pump gas, and I have REALLY good traction on the street.

Its all a matter of having some decent street tires (205 BFGs for me, and NOT the drag radials either) and GREAT boost control. I'm rocking the Neptune RTP boost by gear by rpm boost control and my car gets some pretty nice traction out of 1st gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow you got the whole bag of chips eh lol - explain how this neptune controller works - I am not firmiliar with it ?

poorboy44

arent evo's cast iron blocks as well? wouldnt that allow them to run more boost and timing on pump without seeing issues

96 GSR-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pcguy760 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wow you got the whole bag of chips eh lol - explain how this neptune controller works - I am not firmiliar with it ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its boost by gear that is rampable with rpm, nothing special...... Hondata has it too.

Totsie, what wg spring are you using?

Mr. Anderson

594 @30lbs

9:1 cr
60-1 Turbonetics
ECTune
Stock cams/s2 IM/Drag log mani

Would not and do not run it like that on the street. I'm guessing lots of timing was pulled is reason it didn't blow up.


Modified by Mr. Anderson at 3:41 PM 11/5/2008

totsie7944

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pcguy760 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wow you got the whole bag of chips eh lol - explain how this neptune controller works - I am not firmiliar with it ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea that's how I roll lol....looking for 560 whp in the spring with some bigger cams. As stated above its just boost by gear by rpms, but its much easier to tune and dial in than most other systems out there.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96 GSR-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Its boost by gear that is rampable with rpm, nothing special...... Hondata has it too.

Totsie, what wg spring are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>

10 lbs spring....I got anywhere from 350 whp to 540 whp on pump gas..its pretty sweet haha

Boosted_B_Series

gear dependent boost is the way to go, We have two cars at our shop using ectune pros version and one running neptune rtps.

3minburnout

so how long did you run it on the street at that power level and pump gas? bump and for every one that responded thx

totsie7944

Dude....why would you even consider running that much power on the street ever? And I would never want to run 30 lbs of boost on a motor with pump gas

twkdCD595

x2

With the kind of money you put into a decent build, why bother risking it on pump ****.

3minburnout

it was just a question that i asked, since 93 is available every where i would like to build my car and run it on 93 and make decent numbers on the street just to show guys around where i live that evo's arent the only one that can do it

tony413

the just not needed plain and simple. THERE IS a difference between proving something can be done VS. completely unnecessary.
i think you're doing the latter. PSI is meaningless if you do not know the CFM at any psi level. volume &gt; pressure

tony413

take an EVO motor apart, there is no open deck, its completely solid closed desk and iron so cylinder pressures for them are not as important as they are for our open deck sleeve hondas.