95 civic

well i need help i want to go turbo and dont know which one to get, now this is the tricky part i want to be street legal and and the other problem is i also live in california. my goal is to be 10 sec car on slick and if possible a high 11 to low 12 sec car on street tires and that is when im all done. i have a 95 civic ex with a gsr swap and is bored out to 84mm and that pretty much all i have . and for budget i have about 7000 in the bank for this car so thats not a problem. what i want to know is what kind what trim size and housing, all that good stuff. its my first project so i dont really know what to do yet. if i left out anything you have to know just ask me,
thanks for your time
ismael

95 civic

i forgot to tell you that i want it to be a daily driver, i dont know if it makes a difference
ismael

SpoolnG2

if you wanna run 10's, i'm assuming your block is also sleeved? anywho..if i got a new turbo, i would probably get what motormatrix is running. The SC63. he made 559whp@22psi. Assuming your block is sleeved, you could safely run a few more pounds on C16 and hit about 600whp which on slicks and a good driver is good for 10's in your car. That is as long as the rest of the setup is good.

quikB18B

Well if this is your first turbo project, then i would say your goal of 10's is not a good idea. You will need a hell of a lot more money than 7 grand. There comes a point in a turbo honda around 375-400+ hp where it's a whole new ballgame, Axles, traction, tuning, custom fabrication = Expensive

My suggestion is take your seven grand piece together a custom kit sc61, full race manifold, ect..... standalone, tuning, suspension, slicks = your 7 grand. Build a badass street car and then decide if you want to take the car further .

DIRep972

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It seems like 10 seconeds is just a # nowadays. I don't think some of these new guys have any idea how much, not just money, but hard work and dedication it takes to build a 10 sec honda. I don't mean to be a dick but buddy I think you should start by first putting a turbo kit on ur car and get some track experience. Learn what it is like to own and race a turbo honda, it is not always cake and ice cream.

igotyofire

not to mention im sure almost most people here would not recommend driving a 10sec daily driven turbo car on the streets

95 civic

what company makes the sc63 and the sc61? and also how much money would it take to get to that goal of a 10 sec car? also why would i want to drive a 10 sec car as a ddaily driver? all i have to do is turn the psi down so i make alot less horsepower whenim on the street. also can you guys tell me what i should get, what i mean is like what do you recomand i should get with my 7 grand. thanks for you help and time
ismael

95 civic

also SPOOLNG2 what is "C16"? sorry i dont know im a new

95 civic

can anybody help me?

onetwothree

Well precision makes those two turbo's. The sc63 is a custom turbo and the sc61 is a more off the shelf turbo. The sc61 with the to4e compressor housing cost 775 and 100 more with the to4s housing. The sc63 cost around 1100. Do a search this topic has been covered a million times. c16 is race gas. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=483220
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=552069

SpoolnG2

yeah.. C16 is just a leaded gas with a high octane level.

Mr. Softee

check out full-race's turbos

95 civic

kool thanks for the the info it is very useful, now can you just help me out with one more thing please. i'd just like to know what i should get with my 7 gran ill get the turbo but what also like internals and all that. also can you tell me the best brand and price.
thanks for your help
ismael

Mr. Softee

eagle rods, je/weisco pistons, darton/ge/aebs sleeves, acl bearings, ferrea valvetrain, some kinda IM your choice, then the turbo it is a whole nother ball game. honestly man do your research in the archives then just PMpeople when you have questions. its better to do a lot of learning and know what you're doin...
sam

95 civic

i got one more question is that turbo street legal? and also im from california is it legal here in cali?

95 civic

whats "im"?

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DIRep972

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omg. you want a street legal (In cali) 10 sec turbo honda?..................... good luck.

95 civic

yeah i know, i need it

DIRep972

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alright dude. lemme try to help you.

in cali, you need, in order for it to be legally street legal, you need
a) a smog certified turbo kit. b) catylitic converter.

that basically leaves you with a greddy kit. you will absolutly never ever go 10's with a greddy kit.

if u want to just get an inspection sticker then you must be aware of the risks. things like getting ur car impounded, getting arrested, or even getting it taken away permantly. if you are willing to take the risks.. then read on. heres a basic list of what you need to go 10's in a civic with gsr swap. (Granted some have done it with less, this is a basic formula).... now lets see how far ur 7k goes.

motor:
sleeves- 800-1200 (GE, RS, Darton... etc)
rods- 650 (crower, pauter, manley)
pistons- 500 (endyn, JE, CP...etc)
head studs- 125 (ARP)
valvesprings/retainers- 400 (skunk 2, REV, Crower...etc)
stock honda parts- $$$ (bearings, probably gonna want new tb,wp,op,ten. etc but thats up to u)
assembly- expect to pay an easy 600-1000 for machine work and assembly.
motor alone = anywhere from 3200- 4200.

humm half ur moneys gone. and now u need turbo set up.
lets make it easy. revhard stage 3 kit will get you enough power. just throw down 3500 on that and take the guess work out.

now ur moneys gone, and u still need clutch, standalone, fuel system, tuning, slicks, roll cage(certified), harnesses, scatter shield, and a whole lot of other **** im forgetting. like suspension, and quaffe, and boost controller, and electronics, and exhaust(he wants to be streetable right) oh yeh, and you can probably expect to blow up at least 1 motor before you go 10's. and break 2 trannys. and umm ur gonna need some beefy axles too. **** man. u spent ur 7k already and now u got another 7k left before you can reach ur goal.

my advise- start with something simple. revhard stage 2 kit and a hondata system. a nice clutch and a good 3" exhaust. boost controller, gauges, get it tuned right away and save the rest of ur money for a rainy day...

95 civic

wow thats alot of info, lol thanks well i wasnt just going to spend only 7 gran thats kust what i have right now im still save up, yeah i think i might want to go simple how much horsepower would i get with your advise of starting simple? also how musch would that cost? and how much hp would i get with the other setup you gave me? and with the advise you gave me about going simple first would that setup be street legal or is a revhard illegal too?
thanks for all your help, it mad me think
ismael
p.s. dont get mad, i mean if you did its sound kind of like it, lol

95 civic

also whats "tb,wp,op,ten"? sorry i dont know what they mean
and how fast of a car would i be with a greddy kit and all thet other stuff i need becuz i really want to be street legal i dont want any problems. ok how much hp and what would i get on the 1/4 if i want totally totally street legal?


Modified by 95 civic at 8:15 AM 8/17/2003


Modified by 95 civic at 8:27 AM 8/17/2003

DIRep972

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naw man, im not madd. i guess i got a little aggrevated though. i was reading over @ i-supra the otherday and some guy was asking the same type of question but instead he wanted to run 8's.. I Just think alot of people don't understand how much hard work it really takes to build a really fast car like that. my best advise to u is to just do ur research and get experience. no, the revhard kit will not be street legal. but a revhard/hondata combo will make a reliable 250-300whp which is plenty fast on the street.

DIRep972

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"tb,wp,op,ten." i was talking about timing belt, water pump, oil pump, and timing belt tensioner... these are basic maintence parts that people usually get when they build motors to avoid having to do it at a later date.

95 civic

oh ok kool well thanks for all the info it was really really useful