<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImAcracker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why cant you convert to OBDI?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you know of an ECU I could swap to that would work?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redteg_87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you know of an ECU I could swap to that would work? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hondata supports all kinds of OBDI ECU's. Go look on their website for a list of supported ECU's.

Is there a reason you cant switch to OBDI?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImAcracker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hondata supports all kinds of OBDI ECU's. Go look on their website for a list of supported ECU's.

Is there a reason you cant switch to OBDI?</TD></TR></TABLE>
A buddy at Hondata (Spunkster) has been trying to work a way to put Hondata into a g1 Integra with limited success. Hondata -&gt; OBD1 is not the issue... OBD1 -&gt; my car is the problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redteg_87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hondata -&gt; OBD1 is not the issue... OBD1 -&gt; my car is the problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ahh. Gotcha.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redteg_87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A buddy at Hondata (Spunkster) has been trying to work a way to put Hondata into a g1 Integra with limited success. Hondata -&gt; OBD1 is not the issue... OBD1 -&gt; my car is the problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can find distributors that will bolt on with two bolts - really all you need. From there it is just wiring. You could also convert to OBD0 and run Zdyne, that would be an easier wiring solution. I thought you were looking towards cheaper alternatives, like keeping the AFC and running a 3 bar sensor and doing something different for your ignition control.

 

hot damn i read through 3 pages until i saw the explaination to how this work **** ahhah i'm kinda slow ahha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;quote:&lt;HR&gt;Wh y is Liam telling us to install it as normal then?

He's not. He is saying to not limit map input to the ECU. The AFC itself does the limiting.

You wire the TPS input on the AFC to the MAP sensor. Dustin&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

no no no no no. I AM telling you to wire it up as normal. 100% normal AFC wiring. No MAP into the TPS on the afc computer. Thats just doesnt work right.

This is what im talking about.

AFC wired 100% stock outa the APEX manual
450cc DSM injectors (or something big like that)
AFC set at -40% in high and low settings
*NO* missing links or check valves on the stock honda map sensor

thats it. no other mods. You lower the map input so much with the afc you allow yourself room on the honda ECU for boosting around 10psi.

Ya follow?

liam</TD></TR></TABLE>

what is the -40 percent setting in the high and low. i have a vafc it hooked up normal. where should i set this -40 at. it has wide throttle setting and narrow setting where and which one do i set it to or am i really confuse.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You can find distributors that will bolt on with two bolts - really all you need. From there it is just wiring. You could also convert to OBD0 and run Zdyne, that would be an easier wiring solution. I thought you were looking towards cheaper alternatives, like keeping the AFC and running a 3 bar sensor and doing something different for your ignition control.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't realize Zdyne could work with my car. The car is currently OBD0/pre-OBD0...

Pehaps that's another option now. If I could get the AFC and 3bar to take care of fueling, then I'd be set - ignition won't be a problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tvrsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what is the -40 percent setting in the high and low. i have a vafc it hooked up normal. where should i set this -40 at. it has wide throttle setting and narrow setting where and which one do i set it to or am i really confuse.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The answer for your question can be found here:
http://www.thedropshop.tv/vafc.htm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have absolutely no idea what the word "exponential" means.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Perhaps. Did you understand the concept? Okay then.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Read what I said over again and maybe what I intended will occur to you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do yo realize that no fuel solution is exact?? If you ran 18psi with 14.7psi, granted you'd be stoich and therefore "exact", but you also have zilch room for error. 11-10:1 AFR = not exact is it. Even if your point is that "it's not an exact fuel solution", it's like learning to fire a gun who's barrel is slightly askew. You know how much over your target it is, so aim to suit.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I am saying is that you are most definately assuming that the fuel vs. RPM map of a N/A car will automagically work for a forced induction car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's exactly what I'm not saying. If this were the case, then I wouldn't reccomend the RRR.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your "solution" provides NO fuel vs. rpm adjustability! The SAFC/VAFC does! What are you talking about?</TD></TR></TABLE>

There you go with that again. Once more from the top: RPM = irrelevant. Boost = Aboslute.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you concede that there are zero rpm points, but that you have analog adjustability of fuel (not vs. rpm!) with the potentiometer? Heh</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know of RPM adjustability is the entire purpose of your arguement or of your entire existance but; Right. Because you get to adjust the resistance as a whole across the voltage range of the map sensor. The stock ECU's duty cycles (on the now oversized injectors) will change to longer durations to add fuel as the RPM's increase because (once again) the ECU is still being used in 99.9% of its original function. The missing percentage is that it will not see the voltage to trip the limp mode.

Falcon GSR:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get an oscilloscope and a function generator and do a voltage sweep of the zener and tell me if you still think its doing what you expect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a great waste of time. The zener diode releases voltage to ground beyond its indicated voltage (within a percentage of tolerance). Does it do what I expect it to do? Yes. Honestly, you don't even need an oscilliscope to see this.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It wasn't a weak pot shot - it was the damn truth.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. It was a pot shot. You've made many points and assumptions and I've repeatedly **** in your mouth on things that you swore were one way and simply were not. You ignore these issues as if they never happened then find an error in what I said and overexagerate it to make it seem like I'm as unknowledgable as you are. It's like me saying "E = MC^2, or Energy = Mass times Motion Cubed" and you respond "Ha ha, you're such an imbecile!! It's obviously squared. You don't know what you're talking about." The jargon in some situations were incorrect, but the principal is accurate, where as your situation is the inverse. If you'd like, I can highlight the particular points.

Xdeep:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">12:1 disc. where x = boost,
12x != 12^x != x^12

it appears you knew that already, probably just mis-worded after.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. At least someone here posesses the logic to read the principal aside from the dialogue. Thank you for excersizing the maturity. Maybe if I had 13643154164357 posts under my belt people would be more open minded about it, but some learn the hard way.

Long story short, I've changed from my original set-up of a bone stock LS with 8-10psi to a built LS with JE 8.5's with Eagle H-beams and Golden Eagle sleeves on 18-25psi. Since my internals will be able to take the abuse, I'll install the diode and RRR as described with the described injectors etc. and document the findings. I'll pust it till it blows and show you that it works, just as it has in countless other cars.

BTW: the Eagle H-beams don't weigh 515g as Eagle publicises. They're 525g to 525.6g each and the JE 8.5:1 stock bore pistons are 263g each (one of my 4 weighed 262g).

 

man oh man, most people get past this all-knowing phase by 19-20 yrs old. i guess you're a late bloomer. do you have any real world experience or is it all just **** you've read on the internet? i am nearly certain its the latter.

please do go blow your **** up like you said, and report back to us. til then quit trying to push your idea, which was researched, tried, and abandoned by people here no less than three years ago.

like any other self-respecting person here, i find your haphazard misuse of concepts and terminology highly offensive. ***.

 

I'll fork over the $45 to set all his luser titles to something that warns other n00bs not to listen to him.

 

that one was on the house. i'll glady remove the title if Mr. know-it-all can back up some of his assertions. i wont hold my breath.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you have any real world experience or is it all just **** you've read on the internet? i am nearly certain its the latter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have much real-world experience. I've worked for a racing company for 4 years where my job entailed engineering stroker packages, cam packages and tuning on FI'd cars. During my time there, I've spearheaded thousands of hours of rewriting ECU functions and Mass-air transfer functions with nothing other than circut jumpers, diodes, and hex to the point where I could get nearly any Ford ECU to work with nearly any other car despite the number of cyls and manifold conditions with nothing other than the EEC and a pinout diag. in hand. In any case, the company was still getting off the ground so I agreed to work now and accept pay when things picked up. My responsibilities (still with minimal pay) went up and business eventually did pick-up 2 years later and they still didn't pay anything near what they described so I left on December 16th 2003. I also didn't agree with their business practices so it was no real loss of anything but time. I don't keep in contact with the owner(s), but I'm under the impression that they've gone under.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">please do go blow your **** up like you said, and report back to us. til then quit trying to push your idea, which was researched, tried, and abandoned by people here no less than three years ago.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Zener&RRR was already attempted years ago and failed? Really?? Okay. Show me the posts.

J davis:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll fork over the $45 to set all his luser titles to something that warns other n00bs not to listen to him.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once again, like a wild baboon, rather than trying to approach something with logic and understanding you approach it with your swolen blue *** showing, putting your best face foward. You did the same thing to Liam, but at least you're consistent. So far you have not shown one factual example of why it won't work because you lack the fundamental concept of how it DOES works. For that matter, neither has Dustin or Falcon GSR. How many times have I had to correct someone after they said " it won't work" because they lacked the knowledge of the combination's actual function. Instead of asking "how" or "why", you just assumed and continued to divert from the vast moments I ground your uneducated notions to dust. Close your mouth and open your mind for once. You may learn something.

 

I'm old and tired, and really don't feel like wasting my breath on you...

... but as far as how I interacted with Liam, yeah I was harsh but I'm sure he will agree that I was correct in all my assertions. You, sirrah, are a terminal fool.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm old and tired, and really don't feel like wasting my breath on you...

... but as far as how I interacted with Liam, yeah I was harsh but I'm sure he will agree that I was correct in all my assertions. You, sirrah, are a terminal fool.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Someone out talked J Davis??? Heres a though you probably are wrong

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm old and tired, and really don't feel like wasting my breath on you...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must have thought long and hard on that Grade-A cop-out. Any other excuses? Are your keys too small, or your chair too uncomfortable? Mouse too heavy?

Are you outright incapable of admitting to being tragically incorrect, or did you assess the impending damage to your ego when trying to mentally spar with me in a battle you're simply not yet equipped to handle? That makes 3 times I've openly given you the opportunity to dare open your mouth and say "okay, show me where I was wrong" and you were wise enough to run for cover every time. Good dog.

At first I tried to explain it with empathy, but now I'll just humilliate you for your ignorance.

 

Adds more

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black FMIC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you outright incapable of admitting to being tragically incorrect, or did you assess the impending damage to your ego when trying to mentally spar with me in a battle you're simply not yet equipped to handle? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The argument is only two pages or so back, for anyone with a brain in their head who cares to read it and see reality versus fucktarded fantasy.

I got sick of factually pointing out why you were wrong while you denied it because you were supremely confident in your own ignorance. Why should I waste the bandwidth? Why should I waste my time? Why should I impart any of my wisdom on a fool incapable of a netsearch, or the effort to exert the hands-on time required to form any stance based at all in reality or experience?

Nope, I decided to just toss out a snide comment or two to egg you on... you've been the subject of mockery on AIM by no less than four moderators that I talk to. The only reason you haven't been IP banned yet is we can't stop laughing Calling HT's owner "jerky" was another stunning achievement

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Someone out talked J Davis??? Heres a though you probably are wrong </TD></TR></TABLE>

Whos probably wrong? I hope you are talking about Black FMIC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got sick of factually pointing out why you were wrong while you denied it because you were supremely confident in your own ignorance. Why should I waste the bandwidth?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually..all of the reasons you, dustin, and FalconGSR stated that it won't work are all reasons that simply did not apply to the basic function of the components. It's really not that hard, you simply don't understand it. Once again, I haven't seen one valid reason yet.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why should I impart any of my wisdom on a fool incapable of a netsearch, or the effort to exert the hands-on time required to form any stance based at all in reality or experience? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, lets break this down: Netsearch. I searched for "Zener Diode" as a topic. Nothing at all. Searched for it as it appeared within posts, and not once did anyone EVER try it. Just spoke of it and others who didn't know what that person was talking about simply diverted from it or never responded rather than seeking information because much like your self; They simply didn't know how it works. This is why Falcon GSR hasn't responded with the requested zener/RRR links yet, because they simply do not exist. I'm sure he'll completely ignore it ever happened though and respond with something off-topic.

Now, Reality: I've done this zener mod on at least 15 different makes and models of cars over who-knows-howmany years. Most were mine, and quite a few belonged to friends and only a few to customers. Does it work? Hell yes. Like I said. I can show you a multitude of cars that are absolute beasts that use the mod at any given moment. You can e-mail the owners and see if it works, lol.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you've been the subject of mockery on AIM by no less than four moderators that I talk to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who cares. I suppose this was intended to make me say "oh man...people make fun of me?!". Lol, big deal. Get more moderators in it so I can spray one fat bucket of **** on all of them once it's installed on yet aonther car. The taunts don't faze me. Everyone that's tried to do something different from the main stream always gets ridiculed. Hell..look at the engieers for the rotary engine. It was always the guys that don't understand it that thinks it won't work.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only reason you haven't been IP banned yet is we can't stop laughing</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again, that's fine by me. I'm not a 14yr old kid who's bothered by others opinions. Additionally, do you realistcally think that Honda Tech is the best thing that ever happened to me?? Absolutely not.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Calling HT's owner "jerky" was another stunning achievement </TD></TR></TABLE>

Awwww...did I hurt somebody's feelings?? I must have missed the "do not call the site owner any names, such as "jerky" in the terms of agreement. So someone online called him Jerkey. So what. If he's hurt over it let him cry.

 

ummm yeah...so who's running the SMC+ hack?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black FMIC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">During my time there, I've spearheaded thousands of hours of rewriting ECU functions and Mass-air transfer functions with nothing other than circut jumpers, diodes, and hex to the point where I could get nearly any Ford ECU to work with nearly any other car despite the number of cyls and manifold conditions with nothing other than the EEC and a pinout diag. in hand.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't believe you, since your story doesn't add up. But, it doesnt matter really.

 

No, you won't listen.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, lets break this down: Netsearch. I searched for "Zener Diode" as a topic. Nothing at all. Searched for it as it appeared within posts, and not once did anyone EVER try it. Just spoke of it and others who didn't know what that person was talking about simply diverted from it or never responded rather than seeking information because much like your self; They simply didn't know how it works. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey, Jerky, you do realize I have most of an EE? AS FALCONGSR STATED: go play with a nice PS, an o-scope, and a Zener, and watch how it enters into reverse breakdown. Note how it does not behave as you think it does. I am well aware that many people - like the mini mopar guys - have been fond of using a zener as a clamp over the years, but if you ever stick a wideband on one of those cars you'd know why it's not a good idea. There is nothing razor sharp or precise about it.

There is a reason people are able to put out 500 whp on stock bottom end GSRs for short period - it is because they don't use FMUs, and because they don't advocate patchwork quilt style hacks that **** your ignition maps to the point you have no control over them and there is nothing you can do to get control over your ignition. Unless you wanted to throw away the setup you advocate.

Now, dumbass, let's break netsearch down real simple for you. You want complete and total razor sharp control of fuel and ignition curve for pennies? A better setup that controls both fuel and ignition for less than the price of your bullshit fuel no spark controlling rig job? I already linked your dumbass to pgmfi.org, but I suppose the big words you found there hurt your little pin head - like I said, arguing with you is pointless.

A good illustration of your ignorance, to freshen the minds of those around us:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sure. I actually used the incorrect part described above. Instead of a pot, use a Zener Diode. Diode NTE5068A in particular. This with the accompanyment of a RRR = unimaginable tunability</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here's was the very first example of your revisionist view of history - I had just jumped on you about how AFCs are not voltage dividers, that a voltage divider skews its output as the MAP output voltage dynamically changes. So, here you go stating that you meant a NTE5068A, not a potentiometer.... well, jerky, you must tell us how a Zener can be used in a voltage divider, how an AFC is like a Zener, and how a Zener that undergoes reverse breakdown at 4.3 volts @ 58 mA is relevant to ANYTHING on a forced induction Honda running your ill-advised setup?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do yo realize that no fuel solution is exact?? If you ran 18psi with 14.7psi, granted you'd be stoich and therefore "exact", but you also have zilch room for error. 11-10:1 AFR = not exact is it. Even if your point is that "it's not an exact fuel solution", it's like learning to fire a gun who's barrel is slightly askew. You know how much over your target it is, so aim to suit. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This one was making me laugh real hard. I infer he means 14.7 AFR, not psi, but with this loon who knows? The jackass states you can run 18 psi boost with a 14.7:1 AFR and you'd be exact but have no room for error... uh, 14.7:1 AFR under boost is a big fat error, Jerky.

C'mon class, spell it with me: F - U - C - K - T - A - R - D

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by falconGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I don't believe you, since your story doesn't add up. But, it doesnt matter really.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

He also states that Intel 8061 (EEC-IV) and 8065 (EEC-V) are 32 bit MCUs.