Hey guys,
I'm turboing my f22b2 accord. Ideally, i want a small turbo setup like a T25 or something. i understand pretty much every area on the mechanical aspect. my biggest problem right now is tuning. i want to stay away from AFC's and whatnot. If i have this right, i need a p06 (car is non-vtec) chipped with some brand of software, a chip burner, and an obd2 - obd1 harness. Am i forgetting anything? How much are people spending and on what software? Really any advice you guys have for the tuning part would be awesome. Thanks!

 

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Yes, get yourself a chip obd1 p06 ecu. Depend on what year your accord is the conversion harness may be needed also. As engine management software goes, there are quick a few out there. But if you want to save yourself some cash than just go with Crome. It's a free software. All you need is to do is find a tuner at your area that can tune it on crome.

 

My personal experience. I to have boosted my f22b2 auto. I used a 14b DSM turbo at 8psi. Using AFC hack with wideband 02 tuned for 10.7/1 A/F. Ran a 15.7 quarter mile @89.9mph. Car was a blast (my first turbo). The next summer i put on an exhaust cut out and during a street re-tune broke a ring land on the #4 piston. We think it was because of the AFC ignition advance because the A/F was normal when it happened. Rebuilt the motor took all the turbo stuff off sold it and bought a boosted mini me EG. Not sure how much help this was but good luck

 

Haha well it kind of helps cuz now i know to most definitely stay away from the AFC. But that sucks lol. since you used a 14b dsm, which is what i am thinking, how hard was fitting the dsm manifold on? is there another manifold i can use instead that lines up without having to redrill new holes? i'm kind of on a budget but i guess i have some budging room. As for the Crome, is there any reason to stay away from it? do ppl just use hondata and neptune more cuz of the options?

 

Yes, hondata and neptune is a better software, but crome is probably as good as it get if you're on the budget. And redrilling the dsm manifold isn't really that hard at all. Just use your exhaust gasket to help you where to drill the new holes.

 

if your car is automatic its not gonna run good on crome, hondata, etc

 

My boosted F22 is running fine on Crome.

Idles perfectly and produces good power.

 

Alright well the Tuner at Enhanced Street Performance is supposed to give me a call back by next wednesday because i guess he is in only 1 or two days a week. I guess it depends on what he is familiar with. But, i'll probably try to go with Crome if that's working well, and yes i have a 5 speed. i've been trying to find crome already chipped on an ecu and stuff but for some reason having a hard time finding it. does anyone have links? i'm on xenocron.com but it doesn't look like they have ecu's chipped with crome. i can find ecus chipped with like hondata, neptune, etc, but for some reason not crome. can anyone hook me up with a site or somn.

 

I'm sure if they still chip an ECU for uberdata than they can as well for crome. There is no difference in a chip ecu with uberdata than a chip ecu with crome other than the software it uses. PM'd xenocron and ask.

 

Ya i figured they should be able to, i just couldn't find an order page for it. I even managed to find a dyno near me, Boston Dyno. I can bring a stock ecu and obd harness conversion and they'll do a crome install and tune for like $400 which seems not too bad. They seemed really helpful on the phone so i give them a thumbs up.

 

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I hightly recommend staying away from a t25 or 14b. Your car will be a turd with that small of a turbo. A friend of mine had a larger evoIII turbo on his non vtec f22 with a dsm manifold setup. There was 0 lag with the turbo and it made great power so if you are on a budget and dont want to go with a real nice setup i'd suggest a turbo like that. He eventually upgraded the setup to a real manifold and turbo and we made 400whp on the stock block(race gas). This was done on crome, and i have done others on crome without problems, but if you have the money i highly suggest neptune/ectune/hondata. If there is a local neptune dealer in your area you should be able to get the non rtp version at a very reasonable price.

 

if i'm not mistaken, i think the evo3 turbo is a 16g, right? also do you know what dsm manifold he was running like a 1g or 2g? I think the 1g bolts up to the f22 but the 2g is the one that needs redrilling. Also, i was planning on running a 440cc injectors but what did he have for that setup? oh one thing that i've been thinking about is if i have to redrill the dsm manifold (if i endup deciding on a dsm turbo), will it weaken my manifold or anything? i don't think it would be a problem, but just thought i would ask.
FOR THE RECORD, all of this is very helpful so far! so thanks!

 

whats ur injector setup? i have a stock F22 VTEC crome program tuned on the dyno at 8psi for 440cc injectors ~300+whp

 

well i was planning on using 440cc injectors, at least as a minimum. but my motor is non-vtec (f22b2)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accord_raffi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i'm not mistaken, i think the evo3 turbo is a 16g, right? also do you know what dsm manifold he was running like a 1g or 2g? I think the 1g bolts up to the f22 but the 2g is the one that needs redrilling. Also, i was planning on running a 440cc injectors but what did he have for that setup? oh one thing that i've been thinking about is if i have to redrill the dsm manifold (if i endup deciding on a dsm turbo), will it weaken my manifold or anything? i don't think it would be a problem, but just thought i would ask.
FOR THE RECORD, all of this is very helpful so far! so thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes its a 16g. Not sure which manifold though... 440's should be enough for you.

 

I was looking at 16g's and i'm not sure if it matters if a i get a big 16g or a small 16g. but is the 14b that bad of an idea since i'm only running 8psi tops? apparently i can find 14b's for $100 in a junkyard. if i decide to start doing motor work, it would make sense for me to get a bigger turbo then. i kind of feel like a 14b is a cost efficient turbo. is it still a bad idea you think?

 

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the dsm manifolds are not compatible with the port spacing on your f22b2.

 

how come people use it then?


Ok nevermind...i see why it doesn't work. the 4th gen accords that i was looking at have 0-0-0-0 for ports, the same as the dsm. my 5th gen is 0-00-0. bummer for me. so since the dsm manifold will not work for me, what turbos should i be looking into? are there other dsm manifolds that would match up with my porting for dsm turbos? my friend's mentioned saab turbos like t25's, but i can't find a manifold for the accord with a t25 flange. this stinks cuz the mitsubishi turbos spool fast. thanks guys


Modified by accord_raffi at 10:03 AM 3/29/2008

 

any cel's i should be looking out for and how would i avoid them

 

Yes i wouldn't run a 14b. Its gonna be a turd with that turbo. It will spool up quick and then fall flat on its face. Its much better suited for a smaller engine.

 

Ya i can't do it anyway because of the porting on the manifold. i think i may get a turbonetics t3/t4. i'm guessing that will spool at like 3k. if anyone can think of anything better let me know. also the questions of possible CEL's is still up. anyone know of any because the dyno wants me to make sure i don't have them for the appointment.

 

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ok so i think i found the turbo i want to use, Garrett Super 60 T3. idk if i should just stick to a log manifold for two reasons: 1) i can't find tubular manifolds for an f22b2 2) i'm not gonna have huge gains for my setup so why shell out extra cash. if anyone knows of any tubular manifolds lemme know...no luck for me in the market place or online. CEL's?