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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 10:52 PM
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Here is my set up.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/semi-built-gsr-turbo-sc61-2778038/

i am thinking going e85 now that i see we have more pump in the area now. and its only $1.96 per gallon.

my question are from my set up
do i need to upgrade my fuel line? because i heard that you do and dont.
would i need a dual fuel pump?
do i just drain all my fuel and pump in e85 and take it to a tuner?
also if i take out my gas and put e85 in. will my car starts?
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 12:52 AM
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you need 50% more fuel volume pretty much , and that means you may or may not need to upgrade your supply side (pump, lines, injectors) depending on what your current setup is rated for ...

It won't start without a retune for E85 , no ... timing will be different and IDC will be about 50% higher at the same load points.

Check out the research I did for the E85 calculator

http://www.superchargerperformance.c...uel-conversion

This is an older writeup, you no longer have to do things manually... in the calculator's advanced inputs tab, just choose E85 as your fuel instead of gasoline and it takes care of the rest...

Hope this helps...

Good luck
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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wow your running 1600cc injectors for only ~400hp?
You could easily run E85 on your setup now with no hardware changes.
Just add 30% more fuel to your entire fuel map, drive to tuner, make more power, win.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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all you need is a walbro, big injectors, and a tune.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nuclearhappines
you need 50% more fuel volume pretty much , and that means you may or may not need to upgrade your supply side (pump, lines, injectors) depending on what your current setup is rated for ...

It won't start without a retune for E85 , no ... timing will be different and IDC will be about 50% higher at the same load points.

Check out the research I did for the E85 calculator

http://www.superchargerperformance.c...uel-conversion

This is an older writeup, you no longer have to do things manually... in the calculator's advanced inputs tab, just choose E85 as your fuel instead of gasoline and it takes care of the rest...

Hope this helps...

Good luck
its about 30% more fuel for E85, and depending on how much he is shooting for hell need to look into Dual walbros, A1000, or a bosch pump
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 04:32 PM
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for a 1600 with single wablro on b18, you can make around 500whp.

dual walbros around 650whp to 700whp.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nuclearhappines
you need 50% more fuel volume pretty much , and that means you may or may not need to upgrade your supply side (pump, lines, injectors) depending on what your current setup is rated for ...

It won't start without a retune for E85 , no ... timing will be different and IDC will be about 50% higher at the same load points.

Check out the research I did for the E85 calculator

http://www.superchargerperformance.c...uel-conversion

This is an older writeup, you no longer have to do things manually... in the calculator's advanced inputs tab, just choose E85 as your fuel instead of gasoline and it takes care of the rest...

Hope this helps...

Good luck
thats alot of reading right there. i gotta talk to my tuner and see what he saids too.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Muckman
wow your running 1600cc injectors for only ~400hp?
You could easily run E85 on your setup now with no hardware changes.
Just add 30% more fuel to your entire fuel map, drive to tuner, make more power, win.
are you sure my car will start if i do that. i dont want to do that at the pump and now be able to start my car even after adding 30% more fuel.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ralph11sec
for a 1600 with single wablro on b18, you can make around 500whp.

dual walbros around 650whp to 700whp.
500 was my goal but now i am getting ready to built the head too. maybe making that power would be more easy with the built head.
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Old Jul 22, 2010 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawjap1gsr
are you sure my car will start if i do that. i dont want to do that at the pump and now be able to start my car even after adding 30% more fuel.
Yes. The guy that said 50% is wrong. It's almost exactly 30% more fuel. Just load your Hondata, select all fuel cells, Ctrl J, +30% and your car will start. You may have to play with your cranking fuel trim and throttle tip in trim. My built b18 likes -55% in both

Originally Posted by Hawjap1gsr
500 was my goal but now i am getting ready to built the head too. maybe making that power would be more easy with the built head.
Are you talking a port and polish? That won't make much of a difference. vtec heads are well designed. If you want more power, you'll need to up the boost. 500 is about all you'll get out of a single walbro for more you'll need a second walbro or an inline 044
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Old Jul 22, 2010 | 08:04 AM
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500 might even be a little much for a single walbro. Alot of the tuners around my area recommend going dual or a1000 past 420-450ish. not saying 500 couldnt be made on a single though.
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Old Jul 22, 2010 | 08:05 AM
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I made 489whp on a single walbro. My tuner didn't think we were pushing it... But a lot of people do say 450 is about the max
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Old Jul 23, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by E85B18
Yes. The guy that said 50% is wrong. It's almost exactly 30% more fuel. Just load your Hondata, select all fuel cells, Ctrl J, +30% and your car will start. You may have to play with your cranking fuel trim and throttle tip in trim. My built b18 likes -55% in both

cool i will try that when the set up is ready



Are you talking a port and polish? That won't make much of a difference. vtec heads are well designed. If you want more power, you'll need to up the boost. 500 is about all you'll get out of a single walbro for more you'll need a second walbro or an inline 044
no i am not going to pnp it. just putting in supertech dual valve spring/retainer/valve, itr cams or maybe the pro 1 if i have enough money left. how high can i take the redline to with this set up? because my last built was on a stock gsr head and i could go pass 8k. now i am looking for a least 9 to 9.5k or rpm to play with. think this set up will work?
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Old Jul 23, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexDphoto
500 might even be a little much for a single walbro. Alot of the tuners around my area recommend going dual or a1000 past 420-450ish. not saying 500 couldnt be made on a single though.
if i can reach 500 then 450 to 430 will be enough for a dd car.
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