Have a 2000 civic b16 swap with a CX racing turbo kit.. 63 trim turbo has 370cc s2k injectors. Stock everything else. Running on a base map made for my setup I got.off eBay. Says works with hondata crome Neptune. Can I tune my cad with a piggyback system like apexi neo since there I no where around me to get my car tuned

 

You could use one if the many better options you just listed ... With a wideband and some tuning basics ... But without a dyno or a real tuner the full potential may not be reached

 

A Neo isn't tuning. It's a VAFC hack. We aren't in the 90's anymore. Chrome is free. Chip burning hardware is cheap. Pick up an Ostrich, a chip burner, a bag of chips, and Chrome, and do it the right way if you're going to do it at all.

 

The setup sounds very basic, so I would start off with a Hondata and a good basemap from a reputable vendor (like Xenocron for example).

From the base map, you will probably only need minor tweaks to get a decent running setup without an actual dyno tune.

 

The 370cc will run out on that size turbo

 

Nah, add it all up, it costs more than you think (assuming all new of course). You are better off going with Demon and NepTune hands down. CROME Free is waay too limited on a boosted application.

 

I just mention the Ostrich for emulation while tuning. Real-time tuning is obviously stronger than burning a chip, testing, adjusting, re-burning, and repeating until you have it perfect. I'm not saying Chrome is the best option - Neptune is definitely stronger, and that's the route I'll be going with my tuner. Demon vs. Ostrich + burner is 6 of one, in my opinion. They both do the same job, just in slightly different ways.

 

I came to the same conclusion when I was trying to figure out what tuning solution to use. I ended up with hondata cause it seemed to be the easiest to deal with and tbh the price wasnt much different than the others.

Plus in my area more people are familiar with hondata

 

Definitely going to suggest Neptune. If you are doing it yourself, it doesn't really matter what anyone else is familiar with. Neptune is well supported and is a bit cheaper for the DIYer. Chrome, even free, is almost the same price as Neptune when it is all said and done. And Neptune is a much cleaner setup. After you mount it, all you need is the cord to plug it in. You don't have to open the case up to remove the chip or anything like that. Plus it has a ton of great features over Chrome.

Hondata and Neptune are both great. I just liked my experience with Neptune.

 

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IMO I'd go with 750 cc injectors with Neptune

 

More limited than a piggyback? LOL, maybe if you use a MoTec as a piggyback.

$125 for a chipped P28, $35 for an adapter harness, $100 for a chip burner/ZIF/chips, $30 for a datalog cable. That's $290 for Crome Free vs $559 for Neptune RTP. That's $269 you can spend on something else, such as bigger injectors ($238 shipped with their 20% sale: http://bit.ly/1w2jPGc, I run these in my car).

You can later step up to Neptune or Hondata & sell the burner and datalogger, but Crome works fine for a basic setup. I cut my teeth on something far more limited, Uberdata, and even that was enough for a basic Honda. There are tons of PDF's and videos out now detailing how it works, so it will end up cheaper than a piggyback.

BTW there is *always* a decent tuner near you. You may want to put in your forum profile where you are located, as well as check out some local forums or facebook groups. Both can help you find a tuner. Some of the best tuners don't advertise, they only operate by word of mouth.

 

Being that the OP said his car was running on a basemap he bought of eGay, I assumed he already had the ECU and jumper harness. So it is $130 to $399 (even though there are sales for $380) which is a even worse difference.

Not sure why you went off the deep end for trying to recommend a guy away from a limited unsupported EMS that sucks. I have CROME Dealer (legit version), the Ostrich 2.0, Hulog, and even a Burn2. Guess what I run? Hondata S300 v3. Why? Because I went the route you are recommended and hated every minute of it. From calibrations changing after saving them, random corrupt maps, and any other random glitches you may find. If you don't know all the tricks you will be pulling your hair out if you have never tuned before. VegasInvasions CROME guide is of great help though.

I used it long enough to figure all this out the hard way. Guess what I still use in my Oval Track Car or Destruction Derby cars? CROME... At the very least the OP needs to upgrade to Professional for his application. That puts CROME at $280 and for a little bit more you get a PROVEN EMS with support. I also wanted to say that I have never even purchased a single NepTune license and have only tuned ONE car with it. Recommending what you did I would be weary of those injectors too.

 

$450 for a P28 with Neptune RTP installed in the for sale section here. I bought mine for around that price.

 

What is a 63 trim turbo? 370's will get you a whopping 250hp, and Crome software is free...

 

Don't even need RTP. Just standard Neptune will do the job just fine, for a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

NotARacist, the only option for self-tuning Neptune is Neptune RTP. "Regular" Neptune on chip is only an option for tuners.

As much as I appreciate your honesty, I doubt the OP is going *****-deep with everything. The OP has a cheap kit so I figured he could get by with Crome, which he CAN get by just fine with. Crome is better overall than most Megasquirt versions for instance, which people convert to on many other car platforms, and has far more features too. If I was strapped for cash I'd feel fine going back to Crome (or even Uberdata) with an MBC controlling boost.

 

Well that's...unfortunate.