How good are the base maps that come with hondata?

how drivable and how much difference when its tuned?
its for b16 turbo. see SIG below.

thanks

 

let see.... basemap...

pig rich, ignition timing is good enough to get the car to a dyno. the car will run like ****

 

no you cant get away with driving on basemap for a while till you can afford tuning..

 

a base map is that. just a base. enough to get you to idle and get you on the dyno. some people have other maps with similar setups, like mine we just used a map from a 1.8 Gsr with a p28 that made like 350 to the wheels with the same injectors as me. mine idles a little fat, since ihave a 1.6 (84mm) low 12.0's but it is ok to drive on. under boost it is like 11.1-11.5. if you get it from a dealer, someone may have a map with a similar setup that you can use.

 

I dont understand why the base map sucks so bad? i mean if its a B16 turbo'd running 450cc injectors. Cant they just use a map off a tune that was done for the same setup and it should be close enough. I don't know **** about tuning, i guess its a lot more complicated than that.

 

well the thing with hondata is that they only give you basemaps, because its your responsibilty to get it tuned. they wont send you a map that someone else dyno tuned with because no matter what... there arent two motors that are the same. so they give you a base map tha will get the car running and drive you to the dyno. you can use someone else map for your car, and dyno tune from their... thats what i did.... but that you have to do on your own.... hondata will not suppy you with anything other than a basemap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88crxhfb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont understand why the base map sucks so bad? i mean if its a B16 turbo'd running 450cc injectors. Cant they just use a map off a tune that was done for the same setup and it should be close enough. I don't know **** about tuning, i guess its a lot more complicated than that. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes they can. are they DSM 450's? if so you will have all kinds of idle peoblems. hondata is not compatible with DSM injectors. i had DSM 60's and it wouldnt idle and stalled at red lights. switched to RC's no problems. but to answer your question, if a person has a similar setup, their map will work, but you still need tuning as every engine is different.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondata &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

DSM 450cc injectors will not work with the Honda ECU - the electrical characteristics of the injector are not suited to the ECU, resistor box or no resistor box.

If you use DSM 450cc injectors you will find the engine difficult to start, and the engine running lean at part thottle, plus tuning is very difficult.
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i have DSM 450cc injectors and havent had a problem starting the car to the car running lean at all.... i have hondata S200B .....

 

wtf??? injectors r injectors. i dont knwo what u r talking about

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EK_GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have DSM 450cc injectors and havent had a problem starting the car to the car running lean at all.... i have hondata S200B .....</TD></TR></TABLE>

i am quoting what hondata told me. i had a set of 680's for a dsm. my car wouldnt idle, stalled at red lights, and replaced them with RC 750's and the problem went away. and the above quote is taken from their forum.

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=432

 

i ran 450 cc injectors on a turbo B20 motor with uberdata with zero problems.

i think u had a wrong basemap to begin with, thats y u had all those problems. ur map was probably scaled for 750cc injecotrs not the 680cc u had

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted k20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i ran 450 cc injectors on a turbo B20 motor with uberdata with zero problems.

i think u had a wrong basemap to begin with, thats y u had all those problems. ur map was probably scaled for 750cc injecotrs not the 680cc u had</TD></TR></TABLE>

nope. i got my base from podium performance, this was before we had our dist with hondata, and after we got the burner and the software, we tried our own base map with the 680's. same result. so i went to RC 650's with the same map and it idled fine, i knew i would outgrow the 650's so i then got 750's. i have now outgrown the 750's and goin with RC 1000's. i was even told by Roger at podium that they may not work. i dont know why they work with neptune and uberdata. i have no answer from that. i can only pass along what the forum and hondata themselves have said.


Modified by boostedcivicsir at 10:49 PM 7/7/2005

 

boostedcivicsir is quite right. Just because you guys have something that 'works' doesn't mean its working correctly. What's in a definition if you've got results, right?

Take your DSM 450cc's out and find some saturated style 450cc's, substitute them in and the car will run different on the same tune. Companies even make converter boxes to turn saturated outputs into p/h outputs.

Peak/Hold injectors use a different method to operate them. They have what are called a opening current and a hold current. This allows P/H injectors to open more quickly than their saturated counterparts.

Do some Googling, you'll see.

I personally wouldn't run DSM 450cc's with a resistor box on a ECU using saturated drivers....but that is just the electrical engineer in me talking.

 

I've actually got a question on this. My nearest honata tuner is lke 4-5 hours away. Do you think 4-5 hours of highway driving would be a bad idea on a boosted car? I don't really have another choice.

 

as long as you dont go into boost too much you'll be fine

 

you can buy a chip with a basemap for your particular application(they have like 8 different ones) at king motorsports

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...t=334

but u still gotta get it tuned afterwards. hope that helps