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Re: dissapointed! (CivicRyda2k)
thanks guys, hopefully IC will go on next weekend and that is race weekend too so well see what my timeslips say! thats the real judge i think. well anyway my friend with a turbo vr6 was impressed so taht makes me happy!
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Re: dissapointed! (fnananon)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fnananon »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you running the blue box?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, i am running the blue box
Are you running the blue box?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, i am running the blue box
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Re: dissapointed! (BoostedSOHC)
You need to get rid of the blue box. What do you expect when you're running no IC, drowning your engine with gas, and running colder plugs when the box is already retarding your ignition 
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Re: dissapointed! (superduperman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by superduperman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> when the box is already retarding your ignition </TD></TR></TABLE>
it does no such thing
</TD></TR></TABLE>it does no such thing
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Re: dissapointed! (LiLOtaku)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LiLOtaku »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know all the DOHC boys would take the lunch money from all the SOHC boys. 
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my buddy has a d16z6 (fully built) running 25psi (AEM fuel management)....he's laying down almost 500hp... the SOHC engines can make some very impressive power, I have a b16, but thats just cuz it was almost given to me....if not, i'd still be running my d16z6 - great motors
.</TD></TR></TABLE>my buddy has a d16z6 (fully built) running 25psi (AEM fuel management)....he's laying down almost 500hp... the SOHC engines can make some very impressive power, I have a b16, but thats just cuz it was almost given to me....if not, i'd still be running my d16z6 - great motors
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Re: dissapointed! (BoostedSOHC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedSOHC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks guys, hopefully IC will go on next weekend and that is race weekend too so well see what my timeslips say! thats the real judge i think. well anyway my friend with a turbo vr6 was impressed so taht makes me happy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
so did u swap the plugs? how did it turn out?
so did u swap the plugs? how did it turn out?
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Re: dissapointed! (QCKGSR)
Leave the stage colder plugs in that is not the problem!!! With no intercooler you don't want to play around to much man. Detonation isn't your friend.
The your running stock boost so stock plugs comments is laughable, last time I checked D-series didn't come out with turbos on them........
The your running stock boost so stock plugs comments is laughable, last time I checked D-series didn't come out with turbos on them........
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Re: dissapointed! (BoostedSOHC)
in most cases you can hear detonation
you have to pull the plugs right after a full throttle run. i mean immediately shut off the motor right when you get off the throttle. when you pull the plugs you are looking for metallic specs or some ppl describe it as a "salt and pepper" kinda look
you have to pull the plugs right after a full throttle run. i mean immediately shut off the motor right when you get off the throttle. when you pull the plugs you are looking for metallic specs or some ppl describe it as a "salt and pepper" kinda look
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Re: dissapointed! (BoostedSOHC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedSOHC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats the best way to check for detonation??? look at the spark plugs? if i do what am i looking for?</TD></TR></TABLE> Get the car dyno tuned it will tell the story.......... 
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Re: dissapointed! (turbozxi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Leave the stage colder plugs in that is not the problem!!! With no intercooler you don't want to play around to much man. Detonation isn't your friend.
The your running stock boost so stock plugs comments is laughable, last time I checked D-series didn't come out with turbos on them........
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it was just a suggestion because if u run too cold of a plug, performance will be compromised and u can even misfire. why dont u try ZFR6 plugs?
The your running stock boost so stock plugs comments is laughable, last time I checked D-series didn't come out with turbos on them........
</TD></TR></TABLE>it was just a suggestion because if u run too cold of a plug, performance will be compromised and u can even misfire. why dont u try ZFR6 plugs?
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Just some suggestions. I own a shop and I have put a turbo on countless D16s. First off, the first 5-6 psi dont hardly do ****... its when you get it up to 9-10 psi that you really start to get the car feeling good.
First key is make sure you have no intake plumbing leaks. Put in some NGK BKR7Es gapped at .030". Install a 190lph fuel pump. Either get a FMIC or go the cheap route and take a stock 1st gen DSM Intercooler and put it in the fender by modifying the pipes from your turbo kit like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic1.jpg That is super easy mod to do with the Greddy kit, never tried it with the Apexi kit. But with the Greddy kit you need to chop off the bottom pipe on the IC that curves up and extend it out a couple inches straight and its set to replace the J pipe. If you want to get more out of the IC cut a vent in the bumper like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic7.jpg I did this setup in that car 2.5 years ago and it ran consistent 13.9s with just a greddy kit, BOV, fuel pump, and boost gauge at 10psi.
From there make sure your distributor cap and rotor are fresh. Turbo cars are a lot harder on ignition systems. Also put on some Magencore or other spark plug wires just to rule out shitty wires.
With those things alone, you are safe to run 9 or so psi with the greddy blue box. I would say 10 but the Apexi turbo is a little nicer then the Greddy and it generates greater CFM at equal pressure. This is asuming your engine is in good condition.
With setups like these I have fully loaded coupes running high 13's with regular tires. With the greddy turbo this setup makes a lowly 145ish fwhp but thats all it takes to get it to start being pretty quick. The FMIC will generate the same HP with a little pressure drop but not needed at this point.
Also... why are you using a OBDI conversion with a P28? The greddy blue box will still function 100% wired to your stock OBD2 EX ECU... you just have to look up the wiring diagram on the internet. BTW I always run stock ignition timing at this level.
Other than that... I have built much more extreme and more subtle setups on the SOHC motor. If you need any help, call me at my shop 630-499-5591 (Ask for Charles) and I would gladly chat with you about your setup and try and help you out. Im not looking to sell any parts so dont think im trying to be a salesman... theres no markup in the honda parts anyway. Dont listen to what people say about wasting time on the SOHC... its only cause they dont like the idea that the motor that came originally in their car could have been faster for cheaper then doing the swap
Now after my contribution to helping the original topic, Here is a little of my point of view on the off topic (which is unbiased cause I dont have nor desire any honda for myself : No offense, great cars just not my flavor).
IMHO a SOHC is capable of making a STREET honda just as fast as a street honda can RESONABLY be. It just takes a few more bucks (that you saved by not swapping). The best part of the SOHC is that its so EASY to work on and diagnose problems. I am pretty sure that the apexi turbo you have is capable of greater then 250fwhp (never tried this on stock pistons and rods, but im sure you can do it)... 250fwhp in a 97 EX is pretty darn fast for a street honda. You just need a couple cheap supporting mods and to turn up the boost and then you will have a high 13 second coupe. From there get a few more hardcore parts and you can utilize the full potential of that turbo. At that point only the guys with hardcore turbo swaps or $$$$$ NA builds will be able to hang.
Sorry everyone to make the post so long... just trying to help the guy out and voice my opinion on the whole "SOHC sux" point of view. There will always be someone faster, and by the time you make yours one of the fastest... you spent so much that it doesnt even matter what motor you started with anyway. Other than that I never really post on this board so when I do I have a lot to say
My opinion on the ultimate street civic engine setup (what i would build myself if i wanted a honda): EK hatch with OBDI H22 and turbo.
-Charles
Modified by mister2racer at 8:24 AM 6/2/2003
Modified by mister2racer at 8:50 AM 6/2/2003
First key is make sure you have no intake plumbing leaks. Put in some NGK BKR7Es gapped at .030". Install a 190lph fuel pump. Either get a FMIC or go the cheap route and take a stock 1st gen DSM Intercooler and put it in the fender by modifying the pipes from your turbo kit like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic1.jpg That is super easy mod to do with the Greddy kit, never tried it with the Apexi kit. But with the Greddy kit you need to chop off the bottom pipe on the IC that curves up and extend it out a couple inches straight and its set to replace the J pipe. If you want to get more out of the IC cut a vent in the bumper like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic7.jpg I did this setup in that car 2.5 years ago and it ran consistent 13.9s with just a greddy kit, BOV, fuel pump, and boost gauge at 10psi.
From there make sure your distributor cap and rotor are fresh. Turbo cars are a lot harder on ignition systems. Also put on some Magencore or other spark plug wires just to rule out shitty wires.
With those things alone, you are safe to run 9 or so psi with the greddy blue box. I would say 10 but the Apexi turbo is a little nicer then the Greddy and it generates greater CFM at equal pressure. This is asuming your engine is in good condition.
With setups like these I have fully loaded coupes running high 13's with regular tires. With the greddy turbo this setup makes a lowly 145ish fwhp but thats all it takes to get it to start being pretty quick. The FMIC will generate the same HP with a little pressure drop but not needed at this point.
Also... why are you using a OBDI conversion with a P28? The greddy blue box will still function 100% wired to your stock OBD2 EX ECU... you just have to look up the wiring diagram on the internet. BTW I always run stock ignition timing at this level.
Other than that... I have built much more extreme and more subtle setups on the SOHC motor. If you need any help, call me at my shop 630-499-5591 (Ask for Charles) and I would gladly chat with you about your setup and try and help you out. Im not looking to sell any parts so dont think im trying to be a salesman... theres no markup in the honda parts anyway. Dont listen to what people say about wasting time on the SOHC... its only cause they dont like the idea that the motor that came originally in their car could have been faster for cheaper then doing the swap
Now after my contribution to helping the original topic, Here is a little of my point of view on the off topic (which is unbiased cause I dont have nor desire any honda for myself : No offense, great cars just not my flavor).
IMHO a SOHC is capable of making a STREET honda just as fast as a street honda can RESONABLY be. It just takes a few more bucks (that you saved by not swapping). The best part of the SOHC is that its so EASY to work on and diagnose problems. I am pretty sure that the apexi turbo you have is capable of greater then 250fwhp (never tried this on stock pistons and rods, but im sure you can do it)... 250fwhp in a 97 EX is pretty darn fast for a street honda. You just need a couple cheap supporting mods and to turn up the boost and then you will have a high 13 second coupe. From there get a few more hardcore parts and you can utilize the full potential of that turbo. At that point only the guys with hardcore turbo swaps or $$$$$ NA builds will be able to hang.
Sorry everyone to make the post so long... just trying to help the guy out and voice my opinion on the whole "SOHC sux" point of view. There will always be someone faster, and by the time you make yours one of the fastest... you spent so much that it doesnt even matter what motor you started with anyway. Other than that I never really post on this board so when I do I have a lot to say
My opinion on the ultimate street civic engine setup (what i would build myself if i wanted a honda): EK hatch with OBDI H22 and turbo.
-Charles
Modified by mister2racer at 8:24 AM 6/2/2003
Modified by mister2racer at 8:50 AM 6/2/2003
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thanks man! il def. give ya a call if i ever need any help! the reason i converted was for 2 reasons. 1: i did not want to cut into my stock harness for the blue box, and i could not find an obd2 to obd2 harness 2: i was planning on going hondata at some point, but now i kind of just want a vafc so i can go get it tuned now. thanks again for all the good input!
Modified by BoostedSOHC at 9:35 AM 6/2/2003
2: i was planning on going hondata at some point, but now i kind of just want a vafc so i can go get it tuned now. thanks again for all the good input!Modified by BoostedSOHC at 9:35 AM 6/2/2003
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Originally Posted by mister2racer
Just some suggestions. I own a shop and I have put a turbo on countless D16s. First off, the first 5-6 psi dont hardly do ****... its when you get it up to 9-10 psi that you really start to get the car feeling good.
First key is make sure you have no intake plumbing leaks. Put in some NGK BKR7Es gapped at .030". Install a 190lph fuel pump. Either get a FMIC or go the cheap route and take a stock 1st gen DSM Intercooler and put it in the fender by modifying the pipes from your turbo kit like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic1.jpg That is super easy mod to do with the Greddy kit, never tried it with the Apexi kit. But with the Greddy kit you need to chop off the bottom pipe on the IC that curves up and extend it out a couple inches straight and its set to replace the J pipe. If you want to get more out of the IC cut a vent in the bumper like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic7.jpg I did this setup in that car 2.5 years ago and it ran consistent 13.9s with just a greddy kit, BOV, fuel pump, and boost gauge at 10psi.
From there make sure your distributor cap and rotor are fresh. Turbo cars are a lot harder on ignition systems. Also put on some Magencore or other spark plug wires just to rule out shitty wires.
With those things alone, you are safe to run 9 or so psi with the greddy blue box. I would say 10 but the Apexi turbo is a little nicer then the Greddy and it generates greater CFM at equal pressure. This is asuming your engine is in good condition.
With setups like these I have fully loaded coupes running high 13's with regular tires. With the greddy turbo this setup makes a lowly 145ish fwhp but thats all it takes to get it to start being pretty quick. The FMIC will generate the same HP with a little pressure drop but not needed at this point.
Also... why are you using a OBDI conversion with a P28? The greddy blue box will still function 100% wired to your stock OBD2 EX ECU... you just have to look up the wiring diagram on the internet. BTW I always run stock ignition timing at this level.
Other than that... I have built much more extreme and more subtle setups on the SOHC motor. If you need any help, call me at my shop 630-499-5591 (Ask for Charles) and I would gladly chat with you about your setup and try and help you out. Im not looking to sell any parts so dont think im trying to be a salesman... theres no markup in the honda parts anyway. Dont listen to what people say about wasting time on the SOHC... its only cause they dont like the idea that the motor that came originally in their car could have been faster for cheaper then doing the swap
Now after my contribution to helping the original topic, Here is a little of my point of view on the off topic (which is unbiased cause I dont have nor desire any honda for myself : No offense, great cars just not my flavor).
IMHO a SOHC is capable of making a STREET honda just as fast as a street honda can RESONABLY be. It just takes a few more bucks (that you saved by not swapping). The best part of the SOHC is that its so EASY to work on and diagnose problems. I am pretty sure that the apexi turbo you have is capable of greater then 250fwhp (never tried this on stock pistons and rods, but im sure you can do it)... 250fwhp in a 97 EX is pretty darn fast for a street honda. You just need a couple cheap supporting mods and to turn up the boost and then you will have a high 13 second coupe. From there get a few more hardcore parts and you can utilize the full potential of that turbo. At that point only the guys with hardcore turbo swaps or $$$$$ NA builds will be able to hang.
Sorry everyone to make the post so long... just trying to help the guy out and voice my opinion on the whole "SOHC sux" point of view. There will always be someone faster, and by the time you make yours one of the fastest... you spent so much that it doesnt even matter what motor you started with anyway. Other than that I never really post on this board so when I do I have a lot to say
My opinion on the ultimate street civic engine setup (what i would build myself if i wanted a honda): EK hatch with OBDI H22 and turbo.
-Charles
Modified by mister2racer at 8:24 AM 6/2/2003
Modified by mister2racer at 8:50 AM 6/2/2003
First key is make sure you have no intake plumbing leaks. Put in some NGK BKR7Es gapped at .030". Install a 190lph fuel pump. Either get a FMIC or go the cheap route and take a stock 1st gen DSM Intercooler and put it in the fender by modifying the pipes from your turbo kit like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic1.jpg That is super easy mod to do with the Greddy kit, never tried it with the Apexi kit. But with the Greddy kit you need to chop off the bottom pipe on the IC that curves up and extend it out a couple inches straight and its set to replace the J pipe. If you want to get more out of the IC cut a vent in the bumper like so: http://www.cj-motorsports.com/cars/ryan/pic7.jpg I did this setup in that car 2.5 years ago and it ran consistent 13.9s with just a greddy kit, BOV, fuel pump, and boost gauge at 10psi.
From there make sure your distributor cap and rotor are fresh. Turbo cars are a lot harder on ignition systems. Also put on some Magencore or other spark plug wires just to rule out shitty wires.
With those things alone, you are safe to run 9 or so psi with the greddy blue box. I would say 10 but the Apexi turbo is a little nicer then the Greddy and it generates greater CFM at equal pressure. This is asuming your engine is in good condition.
With setups like these I have fully loaded coupes running high 13's with regular tires. With the greddy turbo this setup makes a lowly 145ish fwhp but thats all it takes to get it to start being pretty quick. The FMIC will generate the same HP with a little pressure drop but not needed at this point.
Also... why are you using a OBDI conversion with a P28? The greddy blue box will still function 100% wired to your stock OBD2 EX ECU... you just have to look up the wiring diagram on the internet. BTW I always run stock ignition timing at this level.
Other than that... I have built much more extreme and more subtle setups on the SOHC motor. If you need any help, call me at my shop 630-499-5591 (Ask for Charles) and I would gladly chat with you about your setup and try and help you out. Im not looking to sell any parts so dont think im trying to be a salesman... theres no markup in the honda parts anyway. Dont listen to what people say about wasting time on the SOHC... its only cause they dont like the idea that the motor that came originally in their car could have been faster for cheaper then doing the swap
Now after my contribution to helping the original topic, Here is a little of my point of view on the off topic (which is unbiased cause I dont have nor desire any honda for myself : No offense, great cars just not my flavor).
IMHO a SOHC is capable of making a STREET honda just as fast as a street honda can RESONABLY be. It just takes a few more bucks (that you saved by not swapping). The best part of the SOHC is that its so EASY to work on and diagnose problems. I am pretty sure that the apexi turbo you have is capable of greater then 250fwhp (never tried this on stock pistons and rods, but im sure you can do it)... 250fwhp in a 97 EX is pretty darn fast for a street honda. You just need a couple cheap supporting mods and to turn up the boost and then you will have a high 13 second coupe. From there get a few more hardcore parts and you can utilize the full potential of that turbo. At that point only the guys with hardcore turbo swaps or $$$$$ NA builds will be able to hang.
Sorry everyone to make the post so long... just trying to help the guy out and voice my opinion on the whole "SOHC sux" point of view. There will always be someone faster, and by the time you make yours one of the fastest... you spent so much that it doesnt even matter what motor you started with anyway. Other than that I never really post on this board so when I do I have a lot to say
My opinion on the ultimate street civic engine setup (what i would build myself if i wanted a honda): EK hatch with OBDI H22 and turbo.
-Charles
Modified by mister2racer at 8:24 AM 6/2/2003
Modified by mister2racer at 8:50 AM 6/2/2003
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No, I didn't make it. I'm not going to be bringing my car to the meets until the greddy kit is installed? Wanna help? Josh already said he would, he said your install was pretty easy.
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haha yeah sure man why not, just let me know when you start it! im in need of a vafc so i can hop over to elite for some tunage. anyway my names chris. just let me know on this piece when your doin it. or if you got AIM/AOL my name is mack4life8. peace
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if i recall correctly, and earlier post said you were using the blue box w/ stock injectors. the blue box is designed to work with larger injectors...310cc...at least it was on my old greddy gsr kit.
how come you are using the blue box anyway? apexi doesn't come with a fuel management solution?
how come you are using the blue box anyway? apexi doesn't come with a fuel management solution?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by downpipe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i recall correctly, and earlier post said you were using the blue box w/ stock injectors. the blue box is designed to work with larger injectors...310cc...at least it was on my old greddy gsr kit.
how come you are using the blue box anyway? apexi doesn't come with a fuel management solution?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The SOHC kit does not come with upgraded injectors. I believe the fuel maps for the blue box are made for stock injectors, but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if running 310cc injectors will make the car run better or make more power with the SOHC blue box.
how come you are using the blue box anyway? apexi doesn't come with a fuel management solution?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The SOHC kit does not come with upgraded injectors. I believe the fuel maps for the blue box are made for stock injectors, but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if running 310cc injectors will make the car run better or make more power with the SOHC blue box.