importracerwannabe

I plan to guy an EG civic hatch si. I can't afford a B16A swap so i plan to turbo the stock motor. Any body think I can run 10 pounds on a stock motor as a daily driver? or should I reinforce it first? I want 200 hp at the wheels. doable? thanx to anybody for some help.

Rexbo

I would not recomend running 10psi on a stock D16 you will need to build the motor first. 200whp is about the max for that motor stock any more than that and your going to start breaking stuff. Be a little more conservative and run 8psi intercooled that should give you about 200fwhp and your car will thank you for it. Also if your poor like me you can run a custom intercooled turbo setup for under $1000. good luck

AshlandSi

Your D16 will handle 10psi just fine with the right fueling. I pumped 13psi into mine with a JRSC (hotter than hell) and it runs to this day.

DragII

then again 10psi killed my headgasket, and rings, and my car was running rich at the time it happened.

Rexbo

Sure the motor will take it, but you'll be leaving little margin for error and a D16 will not put up with that kind of boost for long. If it were going to be a track car I'd say go for it but on a daily driver be careful you may find yourself walking if you decide to push 10psi.

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

perfectly fine with 17lbs(stock motor and fuel system)....well, at least for a week...

KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

Rexbo

Wow, I bet you had fun that week.

AshlandSi

I should qualify this statement some. I use Hondata, not same lame RRR.

vactor

here is a question for everyone: why do people consistantly neglect the importance of upgrading their fuel system when going FI?? i see SOOOOO many posts of people exclaiming the great gains they see ontheir turbo / sc'd cars, and then a few days weeks later, they complain of blowing their motor. upon inspection, it turns out that imho over 90% of these blown motors are the result of people running a bone stock fuel system, even so far as using stock injectors when running 12 psi or more in some cases. do people not realize that power is made not only by adding more air (turbo) to the mix but also more FUEL?? i know most kits do not come with adequate fueling resources, but is that a reason NOT to run an upgraded fuel system (at least larger injectors and fuel pump)?? i would have thought that over the years people would pick up on a trend, yet it doesn't seem to happen when honda guys go FI, or at least, you are the anomaly if you do. food for thought.

p.s. 17 PSI on a stock fuel system, what the F_U_C_K were you thinking?????????

Rexbo

I totally agree your engine needs to be in the right state of tune to run high boost or any boost for that matter, but detonation is not the only component that kills a motor. Those pencils known as rods that D series motors use can only take so much HP until they snap.
AshlandSi you say your running 13psi but that's with a JRSC not a turbo, your just not moving the air that a turbo would move at 13psi and we all know less air means less horsepower your able to tune for detonation but your not making enough hp to bother your rods.
Not trying to flame you infact I think it's cool that your getting 13psi out of that charger.

pmachan

I am also considering FI for my 92 Si hatch.
But... I use my car for Solo I/track days, not too sure if this is what I want, anyone have any experience with aftermarket turbos on a track car?
I am looking specifically at the Greddy kit, simple, low boost, etc. I don't want a laggy monster for drag racing, I want cheap, linear power and most important, reliable. I have I/H/E on it now and it pulled 123whp, not bad, I had considered a Zex cam, but they are huge $$, silly money really, for one cam.
Any advice??

AshlandSi

Rexbo, I agree 110%. The supercharger is gone now.

BoostinDC2

get the new apexi kit or a greddy kit.

importracerwannabe

Thanx to everybody for the advice. this site is great. Keep up the good work honda lovers. peace!

gtcali

I'm gonna be using some ls rods that I had bushed on the small end, and the width machined down some. they should hold 200hp to the wheels. Which is my goal.

If anybody needs a stock set of ls rods. I have an extra set. I was looking for a set for a long time, and I ended up with 3 sets. Using 1 sold 1, so I have a set left. Let me know. $75 obo. I also can get them to fit d16 specs, but I think the guy charges 80-100 bucks ($20-25 a rod). I don't know him well, so its not a hook up for me, but I know he has done a lot of them.


[Modified by gtcali, 7:26 PM 10/29/2001]

VTC_CiViC

With proper tuning, it'd amaze you what a stock D16 can handle. If it hadn't been for the weak *** sleeve's, my friend's 15psi D16Z6 would still be alive today! I'd say, proper fueling in hand, 10psi is a safe place to boost a stock D16 daily w/o doing anything stupid. You can go high true, but the farther you push, the smaller that margin of error get's. So boost with caution. Thus far my D16 has been running .5bar (a little over 7psi) with no problem. Just did a compression test a couple weeks ago which checked out 100%, check my plugs weekly, their fine. Be precatuious and you should be ok.