JWjDM

Hey everyone!
I finally ordered my Turbo Kit!
I went with PeakBoost TopMount Kit!
I upgrade to:
-GT3076R .63 A/R
-Tial 44mm
-24x8x3.5 I/C

Well if you guys remember i had 7k to play with!
as of now i,i now have 3k left,eventually ill be able to save up
again but not for awhile!
So im still not sure as to what my Next step Is!
First off i just want to say thanks to everyone that has helped me and guided me
through my build!This is the first build turbo setup ive ever done so thank you!

Ok so as for my next step i was
considering the following!
-Arp Head Studs
-Victor X Manifold
-9.1 Pistons
-Eagle H Rods
-But most Important of Course A Good Tune!
Which i have a question as far as the tuning part goes!

What do you guys feel as far as Ignition and Fuel??
again id like to have my priortys straight and not buy something that would be
a waste of money when it could of gone to something more important!

My goals are 350-380
again for a DD,and most important keeping it safe!
I was thinking of getting the Pistons and Rods First!

Your Help and advice would be appriciated,thank you

strictly.business

chipped p28. crome or another free program. find a GOOD tuner, pay him $400 and have fun.

B18 CYA

You'll be fine with ignition for 350-380whp. Get some injectors as well

JWjDM

What CC injectors do you recommend??
Would a Better Fuel Rail and Walbro Fuel Pump
Be necessary for my Power Goals,or would it just help it Run better!

Where Do you recommend i buy my Pistons and Rods??
Is there a place that has a special on them??

boosted92

You need a bigger fuel pump. Walbro 255HP's are only about 100 bucks, don't cheap out.

eg:R

$4g for turbo kit??
if your going to built your motor get some 700cc + injectors. no need to get fuel rail. check out classifield for piston/rod sales..cp piston and eagle rods will be ok. make sure you get valve springs and retainers too

JWjDM

Yea..
its $2,999 for the top mount with standard setup!
but i upgraded the 3 following:
T3/To4E to GT3076R$600
Tial 38mm to 44mm$220
I/C 24x6x3.5 to 24x8x3.5$200




Modified by JWjDM at 11:09 PM 1/11/2007

JWjDM

Few questions..
Im looking at the
RC Engineering 750cc Fuel Injectors..
and they are asking $350 for all four!
but they are saying that for a 96-00 it
requires "special clips" for an extra $30 bucks!

What clips are they talking about and
do i really need them?

batboyvaj

yea...you need them if you are obd2. or if you have obd1 injector clips laying around you can use those.

zexxbo

i tried to warn you against going with the topmount kit, its really unneccessary for your power goals and i dont think youre going to be changing out your turbo too often either, which are the 2 main benefactors of the topmount.
you couldve saved about $400-$600 there by using the el ramhorn. the smaller intercooler wouldve been fine too, if its not too late to change your order. id go with aebs headstubs, the victor x, cp pistons, eagle rods 3/8", you might as well pick up and install a block guard while youre at it, and 680cc injectors. you can find the pte (precision turbo) injectors pretty cheap and they work just as well imho.
also, as far as the injector clips, you should find out which obd series your b16 motor is. if its a jdm b16 (b16a) its usually obd-0 or obd-1, if its a 2000si b16 (b16a2) then its obd-2. see how much you can grab the pte injectors for cuz that should save you some money right there.

Speed Infliction

don't get a block gaurd. sometime they can acually hurt instead of help. if you get the 750cc SATURATED RC injectors, you won't have to use a resistor box. you def. need the clips

JWjDM

I hear you man,However id hate to some day want to go big on the numbers!
and have to start swapping out peices! i spoke with ken and we talked about the setup and room to grow in the future and just decide to go with it!

As for the OBDII im going to Convert to OBDI P28 and Tune on Hondata!
does that make any difference as far as the clips go or do i still need them!

I talked with bisimoto,and was told to also get a fuel pressure regulator!
but ill be looking for the pte injectors!
Ive been looking in ebay for all the parts but would like to know were you guys
get your parts from! Pistons,injectors,Rods,Etc.

Also why do you say a block guard could be bad?^^

Ruben19

i didnt know that
thanks man
so if i use some 800cc saturated injectors dont need resistor box.

Speed Infliction

who makes 800cc saturated injectors? yes you still need the clips because if you get a p28....that is only changing the ecu and not anything else. the clips acually connect to the injectors under the hood.


Modified by Speed Infliction at 1:55 AM 1/13/2007

zexxbo

true, but you only really need a topmount if you want 700whp and youre car is strictly track use.
find out which motor you have and if its an obd1 motor, then they may have converted it to obd-1 when they put it in your car. if not, then yes you are going to need the clips. as far as a fuel pressure regulator, go with essex or aeromotive, none of the aem, b&m, or whatever are gonna help much. you can find pte injectors on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWD1V
and you can maybe find them cheaper if you look better. otherwise, get your piston/rod combo from the sponsors section on h-t.
ie:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1803659
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/785522
or you can find whatever you need in the classifieds section.

JWjDM

Do you really think 680cc are ok?

The car is a EM1 2000 Civic Si with the Stock B16A2..So it is OBDII
I plan on Getting the Conversion Wire for $75 and a P28 Chipped with which ever i choose for $200 all from Rywire!

However,While looking for my Pistons!
I noticed they have a 81mm and 81.5mm,Which
If im correct,the B16A2 is 81mm right? Or is it 81.5mm??
and is the ACL bearing really something to consider??

and thanks for the links and help on were to purchase!




Modified by JWjDM at 5:58 PM 1/13/2007

zexxbo

i dont think youll need anything bigger unless youre doing one tune with 300ish whp and one tune with 600+ whp.
if youre gonna use hondata then they have a kit that comes with a p28 because you need to socket it for the hondata. also, go with acl bearing because its not that much more than oem bearings and they are a lot better imo. a lot of the kits in the sponsors forum have acl bearings. not sure on the 81mm or 81.5

JWjDM

Ok so as of now im down to 2k..
aside from the Turbo kit ive also ordered
-Cp 9.0.1 Pistons 81mm
-Eagle Rods
-ACL Bearings
-Precision 780cc Injectors Low Impedance
-Walbro 255HP Kit
-Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator

Im still wanting to make around 360Hp..
So im thinking that it would be good to
pick up Ferrera Valvetrain! dont know what it
cost but again im down to 2k so some
suggestions on what would be priority first to
purchase to get the car going would bw helpful..
Do keep in mind that i still have to Convert to OBDI
and get a EMS or whatever would be best for my bugdet!
im not going for the Victor X at the moment,figured it wouldnt be wise
as of right now!

zexxbo

figure that youre gonna spend $200-$400 on tuning alone, then $500ish for hondata with p28, $50ish for conversion harness. a lot of people will say that youre going to need an ignition system but lots of people run the stock ignition with that much power, you might have some problems with the stock ignition daily driving on that much power tho.
also, i dont think its included in your kit but youre going to need steel braided drain and feed lines, fittings for the block or a feed adapter, for the oil pan, filter for the turbo, and some other stuff. you may want to pick up all the little things before you grab the ferrea valvetrain, but at the same time- you want to do it while the block is apart and youre replacing the rods/pistons/headgasket anyways.

KeyserSoze

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JWjDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so as of now im down to 2k..
aside from the Turbo kit ive also ordered
-Cp 9.0.1 Pistons 81mm
-Eagle Rods
-ACL Bearings
-Precision 780cc Injectors Low Impedance
-Walbro 255HP Kit
-Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator

Im still wanting to make around 360Hp..
So im thinking that it would be good to
pick up Ferrera Valvetrain! dont know what it
cost but again im down to 2k so some
suggestions on what would be priority first to
purchase to get the car going would bw helpful..
Do keep in mind that i still have to Convert to OBDI
and get a EMS or whatever would be best for my bugdet!
im not going for the Victor X at the moment,figured it wouldnt be wise
as of right now!

</TD></TR></TABLE>

You should have got the saturated injectors (high impedance), now you will have to use a resistor box, which is no big deal, but it's just one more thing to do. There is other valvtrain that will do the job as well, you don't have to go with Ferrera, just so you know. Definately get the headstuds, either ge or arp is what I would go with. The victor x is a good im, but for 350 you could do without it.......but for 350 you could have also done without the topmount......so why not just get it now since you have the funds. For management I would go with crome. There is a lot of support and quite a bit of tuners for it. People also make some good reliable numbers on it.

I would prioritize like this:
1) obdII to obdI conversion harness and Crome (harness, chipped p28, tuning) - guesstimate of ~$500
2) Headstuds - $120
3) Valvetrain - $300 (not sure exactly here as it has been a long time since I priced some).
4) victor x - $300 (new) to $200 (used), these are quite common and you could prolly find one used here on h-t.

GL.

JWjDM

Well im not sure about all the fittings being included in the kit,I would
think so considering it was a complete kit...

The kit includes and quoted from Website
-Stainless oil feed (-3) and oil drain (-10) lines (featuring earls fittings.)
-Weldless 100% leakfree oil drain line
-all necessary installation hardware

If not ive heard people using special lines i dont recall what they call them
but,oh well more to add to the list i guess..

As for the resistor box,if converted is there any differance at all from the saturiated and Peak and Hold injectors?

However,If i were to use a EMS like S300 or S200b would i still need the resistor??
Its no problem to add the resistor i actually have one,but if i dont need it then id rather not deal with it..


Modified by JWjDM at 11:10 PM 1/16/2007

KeyserSoze

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JWjDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for the resistor box,if converted is there any differance at all from the saturiated and Peak and Hold injectors?

However,If i were to use a EMS like S300 or S200b would i still need the resistor??
Its no problem to add the resistor i actually have one,but if i dont need it then id rather not deal with it..


Modified by JWjDM at 11:10 PM 1/16/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok.......here's the short of it. From what I understand (and thats very little), peak and hold injectors = low impedance (~1.7-3 Ohms), impedance is resistance (for all intents and purposes here). Saturated injectors are high impedance (or high resistance, ~10-16 Ohms). The honduh (JDavis ) ecu was designed (in general) with injector drivers to handle a particular current load and was designed to use injectors with a larger resistance (like the resistance found in saturated injectors). The hondas with peak and hold injectors were given resistor boxes to bring up the resistance of the injector circuit. The higher the resistance the lower the current that travels through that particular circuit, to much current draw (as in the case of the low impedance aka peak and hold injectors) will damage the injector drivers of the ecu by drawing to much current and creating to much heat as a result. If I screwed anything up I'm sure someone will be more than happy to flame me.....er, I mean correct me.

Much of this has been covered many times......if you would like to know where you can look here and get the answers to most of your questions.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1024174

And in there is this, which pertains to your situation exactly (as far as wiring goes).......

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=691345
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=195834
http://www.geocities.com/uncgo....html

And this, which is a good write up about injectors...........

http://www.robietherobot.com/s...e.htm

GL.

JWjDM

Ok..
while awaiting my parts to arrive next week!
i had a few problems and am in the middle of
having to buy a new Clutch!

back then i would've gone with a stanard clutch but i figure since the turbo going in and all,i dont really know which clutch will be Ok for my setup,350ish Hp but i dont know what kind of torque numbers to expect from the setup!
im sure there is a certain average number for the the amount of power,What clutch are you using and at what numbers?
I am looking at either the Act or Exedy Stage 2
is that a wise choice?

zexxbo

ACT 6 puck unsprung stage 3 clutch and xxtreme pressure plate.

JWjDM

Well..With the Clutch setting me back 500..
Im thinking about investing the remainding $1500 on having the car tuned with the S300 or S200B.That well problably leave me with
about 600 left!
Figure i get all the little things that Zeimbo mentioned,I really wanted to invest in Valve Train but it doesnt seam like ill be able at the moment.. but would a stock B16 head be reliable with 300-350Hp? i know i wont be able to really push the Rpms like hoped but will they be good up to 9k?