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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 08:18 AM
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I think that it is too flat to drain?? Help me out i am tired of driving spy hunter!!!
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 08:36 AM
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maybe try getting a shorter return line so it doesnt have so much slack. Do you have a bigger picture so we can see where the turbo sits to see if it is even possible to get a better angle?

PS i love spy hunter lol
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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Yeah, we need better pics. Reasons for smoke:
1. Turbo seals 2. Bad return line 3. Too big of a feed line 4. Rings You decide.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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here are a couple more pics, sorry best i could do with the space.




Modified by mraudio13 at 1:46 PM 3/29/2006
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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best thing i can think of is trying a 45 degree off of the oil pan... i dont know..

good luck though.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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I will try that, the wastegate downpipe is the siver one next to turbo. It is making it hard to do that.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, we need better pics. Reasons for smoke:
1. Turbo seals 2. Bad return line 3. Too big of a feed line 4. Rings You decide.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Add to that #5. not enough crankcase ventilation--&gt;install some sort of crankcase pressure evacuation system. Without it, due to the increased crankcase pressure from a turbo, the pressure will try to escape out of the oil return line, causing oil to leak out of the turbo seals.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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Yeah, we need better pics. Reasons for smoke:

1. Turbo seals : Still an avenue I haven't checked (don't want to take off head just yet)
compression check 1:225 2:225 3:225 4:225 leakdown 1:8% 2:8% 3:9% 4:9%

2. Bad return line: is number 1 culpret right now

3. Too big of a feed line: -3an could put in a restrictor??
4. Rings:
5. pcv systrem: current setup line from stock oil can on back of motor (no pcv valve) to catchcan to atmosphere, valve cover outlet to atmosphere.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Yeah, looks like your return is the problem. AN 3 is fine for a feed line. That return is not getting enough gravity. You're going to have to figure out how to get it more vertical, good luck.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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Mine is even worse than that
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by br1ev8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Add to that #5. not enough crankcase ventilation--&gt;install some sort of crankcase pressure evacuation system. Without it, due to the increased crankcase pressure from a turbo, the pressure will try to escape out of the oil return line, causing oil to leak out of the turbo seals.</TD></TR></TABLE>

were u born stupid?

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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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thats going to be one tough line to figure out. I can't wait to do mine in a week
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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I say blown turbo seals.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shortyz21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">were u born stupid?

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Umm, crankcase pressure will do a lot of things, I would know, so... to you
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flr Power &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say blown turbo seals.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Turbo is brand new, I thought that was the problem so i got a new turbo...Matt
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shortyz21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">were u born stupid?

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Good job looking like an idiot... I can attest to first hand how a sealed pcv system will push oil out the turbo seals.... my rigged catchcan has both VC and PCV system into it... frozen vapor clogged both lines and I was instant Spy Hunter.... cleared them... gone.

A good PCV system is so easily overlooked... and the one mentioned by the thread starter isn't going to be causing his issue.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shortyz21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">were u born stupid?

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That's it?? Your single contribution to this thread is to call me stupid and then give no reason for making such an accusation....wtf? Whatever, I guess this is what I should expect from the ignorant and uneducated.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can attest to first hand how a sealed pcv system will push oil out the turbo seals.... my rigged catchcan has both VC and PCV system into it... frozen vapor clogged both lines and I was instant Spy Hunter.... cleared them... gone.

A good PCV system is so easily overlooked... and the one mentioned by the thread starter isn't going to be causing his issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So the way I have mine hooked up is ok??
VC to atmosphere
Black box on back of block to catchcan to atmosphere (no pcv valve installed)
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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try putting a 45 degree off of the oil pan and try to make the center section point straight down as best as you can.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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I think the drain is acceptable, ive seen worse. Its got no kinks and its elevated higher than the oil drain bung on the oil pan.

read my findings https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1544369

An easy test that i did was pull valve cover and rear PCV valve and take it out for a little drive and see what happens. if the smoke clears than you know what is causing your smoke screen issues.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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my return looks very similar to that...

and my car smokes only when i come to a stop after a hard pull or revs constant at 3000+ (freeway)

but when i start moving or revving it stops
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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with a lowered car, that flat surface of the front of the oilpan isnt exactly perpindicular to the ground as it is...its actually sloped against the desired flow.
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