ok say you had a certain amount of money to build and engine, would you biuld it low comp and do turbo or high compression and go all motor or maybe even high with nitrous, sa you are looking to go as fast as possible with a honda on the street. of course most of you will say turbo because this is a forced induction forum, but let me know what you think.

 

obviously your gonna get a scewed opinion no matter where you ask. depends on what that person likes. but honeslty more power = faster car. assuming its set up correctly and has traction. You cant compare the power output of an NA car to Turbo. Not even an NA with nitrous to Turbo. its like apples vs oranges.

 

Once you drive or ride in a high boost turbo car you'll never go back to NA again. Trust me, we're all this way around here

EDIT: Took out the high boost stuff cuz it makes people wanna argue too much


Modified by Kataku2K3 at 11:42 PM 4/15/2004

 

thats a good piont, see i have a turbo integra gsr, my friend raced me in his 96civic coupe with high compression gsr swap and i beat him bad. my other friend has a b16 in a 92 cx hatch with a nos wet nitrous kit and a $4000 spending limit on biulding the motor and he wants to race me, not exactly fair since i have only a bolt on drag 3 kit with vafc2 as engine management, thinking about build motor, upgrading to a good turbo setup with aem ems or hondata. but i don't have 4g's to spend... just trying to get some opions.

 

i will NEVER own a N/A car agian, even when im 50 ill have some sort of boosted car. unless an f-50 was given to me of course.

 

I would say boost . . . people say NA is more realiable but you know what . . . . your car is as realiable as you make it, do the maintenance, and don't skimp out, and don't beat on your car 24/7 and it'll be realiable

 

All motor is too expensive for the results IMO. Building a badass all motor car isn't cheap and in the end you'll probabaly want more, but the shitty part is there is only so much you do, there is only so much compression you can run ect.... With boost the power is almost endless as far as a street car.


Turbo because of the potential

 

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damn straight . . . . you ottta admit though people get a rush of smashing cars all motor, it's like you race someone who is maybe boosted beat'm and they ask what you're running and you say all motor, it's kinda like a respect/pride thing . . . .people think they are beter if they beat you all motor or have an all motor car.

All motor there is only so much you can do before it gets really expensive . . .

Intake
Header
Exhaust
Cam Gear(s)
Cam Shaft(s)
Ignition (MSD) then what?

Rods
Pistons
Valve Train
Port & Polish
Stroker Kits etc . . . . .

all for what to make like 250hp?

**** 7psi you're making that on a stock block Forced Induction all the way!

 

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Bingo!

 

$30K on a turbo motor for a Honda?

 

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there i another guy from that shop with 700+whp.....


so yes, i would say 30k is not and overstatement.

 

Yea, for a Honda (including the motor, fuel system, EMS, drivetrain, and suspension)

 

If you can drive or ride in a high boosted honda, you'll see what everybody is talking about

 

boost... one u drive a turbo honda and hit boost u fall in love.. youll never want to go back n/a...
turbo

 

I used to be all about the N/A but i recently boosted my car with a custom homade setup saving myself alot of money and running at 5psi i hit 202 hp on the dyno with a GSR motor. about 800 bucks spent and i got 50 hp. Every thing that your reading in this thread is true...once you go boost you never go back. Darkside for life. The BOV sound, the wastgate opening up, and feeling boost as the turbo spools are all extremely addicting things. Turbo and no other way.

 

ask this question in N/A forum... boost of course becuase of more power potential!

 

Read sig. below I'm not going back either.

June

 

Turbo is a much more cost effective way of getting power.

You also can make way more power with turbo than you can with non-turbo. Show me a non-turbo Honda making more than 300 whp.

This talk about 30k is retarted. Stuff like suspension, drivetrain, etc does not count, because that would need to be done regardless of if the motor was turbo or not.

A good, solid, well built turbo setup can be had for under 5 grand. Building a motor should not cost more than 2k, and then 3k for parts is plenty.

 

NA Boost
Just keep in mind the more power you make the less reliable your car is going to be and the more attention you must give it....With great power comes great responsibility!

 

Oh really, so you need ProDrive 700whp axles and ring/pinions for NA motors? Trust me, most stuff that supports higher hp is more expensive. I don't want to get into an arguement here, I'm simply saying you could build almost 3 fully built high compression NA motors/setups for the price of one high boost FI setup.

 

Well now that he's got your attention how do you spend 20-30 grand on turboed cars? I hope you didn't spend that much money.

 

I don't doubt Ground zero's car's are expensive...but 30k into the turbo setup?

 

Its easy to spend 30,000 in a 700whp turbo car if you are going to include the axles, suspension , lightened parts, Engine management, ect..... what we are talking about here is a race car though , which might be driven on the street ...

I can understand spending that much money for a race car if you are going to compete in a certain class .... but a street car ?? how are you going to hook 700 whp on bfg drag radials in any gear??? I would prefer to start with a rear wheel drive car if those where my goals... but thats just me ..

 

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Obviously if you build a 700 hp turbo motor, you'll need more parts than a 200 hp NA car. That's a pretty damned moot point.

I was under the assumption that we were talking about two cars within the normal realm of power, and with aproximately the same budget.

If he asked which was better, a 700 horsepower turbo car or a 200 horsepower NA car, that would be a pretty rediculious question, no?

 

it depend of each person... if the person love to do some lapping forget the turbo loll

but I have to admit that I would not return NA now.... I love boost ! This thing is a dope !