Okay, I agree with you guys there. Scott and I just like the high boost street cars. It's fun being able to rip off 5th on the freeway, hehe... Everyone is still right tho, if you'll be spending the same amount of money either on an FI or an NA setup and you can do the FI setup right (i.e. using a decent EMS, etc.) there's no question about it. Also we do build most of our FI cars to race in NHRA SP/FWD so power is definately a key factor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kataku2K3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I'm simply saying you could build almost 3 fully built high compression NA motors/setups for the price of one high boost FI setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Still dont agree with you. Lets say you have 4 grand to spend. The turbo setup will make more hp than NA and will be way faster. Its a more cost efficient way of making your car faster.
You cant compare the cost of an honda turbo motor doing more than 350 hp to a NA. NA dont reach that hp levels, so its not a fair comparison.

 

here check out this link. Tell me what you guys think about the stuff being said here.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=816898

 

Not the same question we are debating about here. The topic here is
"ok say you had a certain amount of money to build and engine, would you biuld it low comp and do turbo or high compression and go all motor". In other terms which is the most efficient way of spending your $$, not "given a certain hp which would be faster".

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dainteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here check out this link. Tell me what you guys think about the stuff being said here.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=816898</TD></TR></TABLE>

That thread is totally stupid. The two cars would be damned close, but if anything the turbo car is going to win out due to *slightly* more power under the curve.

The fact that NA is winning out 10:1 makes me want to cry and kill people. Are people accidentally hitting the vote key while they beat off to Richard Simmons videos? I don't know why you would think like that even for a second.

 

ALL MOTA! Check my sig. I only made 302whp

 

yeah i had a $6000 na motor that got me 8.30's in a teg, so i am building a nasty d kit for less than 2g's that will make as much horsepower, and prolly another 1500 whenever i build the little dude to really make some power!!!! so i think u can do boost faster and cheaper

 

power under the entire rev range means jack all.
its where you are racing that counts(well the turbo still has more )
anyways 30k is retarded but if your getting a **** like a carbon carbon tilton..then the price will sky rocket.


i agree with kpt though. 5-7k is enough.

anyways..all things being equal the turbo car would win..the problem is usually the the turbo cars weigh more(Full interior), run street tires etc cause someone doing 250 all motor is usually pretty race prepped compared to a turbo car at that power cause thats nothing for a turbo car. Its just an everyday thing. its also a little easier to put the power down all motor caause of the less torque.


the "no lag " comments makes no sense really.
launch both cars at 4k rpm. n/a car wont really go until like 6k rpm where the turbo car will probably be at full boost already launch at 8k each and the turbo car is still at full boost right away.. lag..pftt..maybe with a t88



Modified by SiRkid at 12:07 AM 4/15/2004

 

Like it was said in the post both cars are the same!! Plus who says a BOOSTED car can't be gutted too?! I have a civic hatch with a GSR turbo and its semi gutted.....


95lsteg - I wanted you guys to check it out....Never said that they were the same topic.

 

up to see what others have to say

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kataku2K3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Once you drive or ride in a high boost turbo car you'll never go back to NA again. Trust me, we're all this way around here

EDIT: Took out the high boost stuff cuz it makes people wanna argue too much


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I feel the same way

 

if you love torque, you'll love boost!
a high horse N/A motor will still lose in the torque department versus a boosted motor, even way more if high boost.

boost is more cost effective..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vtec92Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

damn straight . . . . you ottta admit though people get a rush of smashing cars all motor, it's like you race someone who is maybe boosted beat'm and they ask what you're running and you say all motor, it's kinda like a respect/pride thing . . . .people think they are beter if they beat you all motor or have an all motor car.

All motor there is only so much you can do before it gets really expensive . . .

Intake
Header
Exhaust
Cam Gear(s)
Cam Shaft(s)
Ignition (MSD) then what?

Rods
Pistons
Valve Train
Port & Polish
Stroker Kits etc . . . . .

all for what to make like 250hp?

**** 7psi you're making that on a stock block Forced Induction all the way! </TD></TR></TABLE>

not to start up ANOTHER arguement but 250 hp all motor vs 250 hp forced induction is totally different...250 hp all motor car would be VERY quik

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you love torque, you'll love boost!
a high horse N/A motor will still lose in the torque department versus a boosted motor, even way more if high boost.

boost is more cost effective..</TD></TR></TABLE>

YES! Boost

 

The thing is, a little Honda engine doesn't have near the potential without forced induction as it does with forced induction. V8s can put out a lot of power NA relatively easy compared to a Honda.

One thing I don't miss about NA is having to have the big lopey cams that kill off a good bit of your bottom end power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

not to start up ANOTHER arguement but 250 hp all motor vs 250 hp forced induction is totally different...250 hp all motor car would be VERY quik</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah but how many 250 hp all motor cars are there? I mean really some of the quickest street cars make around 210-215hp, and If im not mistaken the all motor street/race cars dont even make 250hp, they make less, but they do it in a 1900 lb car, and rev the **** out of it.

The whole debate about 200all motor hp vs 200 Fi power, means nothing to me, because If an all motor car has the same amount of power as me(none do) I would just turn the boost up

 

I suggest N/A... but stay completely stock. Take the money and invest it in a house.

Torque is a drug whether coming from a high compression N/A vehicle or a boosted car.... Many of us are already addicts waiting to get their next adrenaline fix..

Their is hope for some of you though who haven't driven a fast car or built a fast car yet... stay away, it will only lead to pain and a hole in your pocketbook ....

.... but isn't everything fun in life associated with these things...

 

&lt;~~~~ Boost addict.

Had it for only a few months 2 years ago.

However, I'm Still fully under its effects, and I will soon be getting my FIX!!

I see no reason why a resonably boosted honda can't be more reliable as a pretty nice all motoa car.

Don't forget the old saying...RPMs, ruins people motors.

I myself don't completly trust the valvetrains of cars with big cams....Ti retainers can wear and break, valves can drop, aftermarket cams can break, timing belts can shred from the extra power they are required to hold up to from stiffer valvesprings, etc.

What do us turbo guys have to worry about? fuel pumps or injectors crapping out, stock pistons giving up(if that is what you are running), bad gas, bad tunes, etc.

I'd say a 300whp turbo car will be more reliable then a 240whp all motor honda.

At either extreme each method for power can be a ticking timebomb, but at resonable power levels turbo will be faster, and more reliable.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted_dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will NEVER own a N/A car agian, even when im 50 ill have some sort of boosted car. unless an f-50 was given to me of course.

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why not just boost the F-50!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quikB18B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and If im not mistaken the all motor street/race cars dont even make 250hp, they make less, but they do it in a 1900 lb car, and rev the **** out of it.
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The all motor race cars make quite a bit more than 250whp. Granted if one lines up next to you at a stoplight to race . . . . you're dreaming cuz it'll never happen

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The all motor race cars make quite a bit more than 250whp. Granted if one lines up next to you at a stoplight to race . . . . you're dreaming cuz it'll never happen </TD></TR></TABLE>

aren't you running an mean N/A setup right now??

 

yeah, and it makes torque, maybe my car should meet yours and give it some tips

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, and it makes torque, maybe my car should meet yours and give it some tips </TD></TR></TABLE>

damn.....break-ups to make-ups..?? is bulldogg gonna just let his ex-girl just rip on him..stay tuned!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, and it makes torque, </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just b/c you are making 120 in hp and 100 in torque doesn't mean that it's making anything.

Forgot to mention those numbers above are flywheel numbers.....

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe my car should meet yours and give it some tips </TD></TR></TABLE>

bring it biatch!

 

Your numbers we're almost close . . . I'll come down . . . we'll do a 4th gear pull . Tell your tranny my tranny says "hi, how you feelin?". I'm done whoring out this thread