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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostedEgHatchFl
I also have a built b16. Not looking to upgrade the turbo while the motors out of the car.

Dart 82mm sleeved b16
9.0 wiesco pistons
eagle rod
stock b16 head
itr cams
afi ac ramhorn
3 inch dp and full exhaust
walbro and 650s with a 3 bar
57 trim turbo

Tuned by Tampa Mike

268@10 psi
375@15psi
???@20 psi should be well over 400

What would be a good turbo to upgrade to
35R or 6262 seems to be what everybody is running these days.
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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hahaha, Hows that ebay clutch holding up?? ^^ i rember you posted a pic of the disk in half lolol. keep up the good work
Has a ACT stg. 4 in it right now. Yeah Ebay Pressure plate blew up on the track awhile back, lasted a good year or so though..lol
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 11:36 AM
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what is the fastest time set in the usa by a b16 turbo?
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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This is a fast b16, got to be up there. It all comes down to which class your reffering to though


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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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so i have been looking threw these pages, on a stock b16a2 block the hp range from 220-275 safely, i am in the process of boosting mine, what injector size would work best for around 250?
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 08:52 PM
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stock bore b16a2
srp 9:1 pistons
stock rods (shot peened and reconditioned)
acl bearings
arp head and rod hardware
cx racing 50 trim turbo with log manifold
edlebrock intake
s300
3" turbo back
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Chainsaw
stock bore b16a2
srp 9:1 pistons
stock rods (shot peened and reconditioned)
acl bearings
arp head and rod hardware
cx racing 50 trim turbo with log manifold
edlebrock intake
s300
3" turbo back
16# boost
pretty good numbers for a log mani and 50 trim.
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 06:49 PM
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Im just seeing what everyone thinks about what im planning!

Im doing a B16a2 turbo
stock sleeves
Eagle rods
CP pistons
rod bolts
head studs
ACL bearings
cometic gasket

B16 head
type r cams or skunk2 stage 1 cams
supertech springs and retainers
oem valves
oem seals n guides

HX35 turbo fresh rebuild with a ported and knife edged twin scroll hotside
ETS twin scroll ram horn manifold
Synapse 500hp intercooler
850 or 1000 cc injectors
255 intank
and all the other nessesities to be complete but im going to be tuned on Neptune at 20 psi

Im looking for 450HP
what do you think?
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Old Sep 10, 2011 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DARob28
Im just seeing what everyone thinks about what im planning!

Im doing a B16a2 turbo
stock sleeves
Eagle rods
CP pistons
rod bolts
head studs
ACL bearings
cometic gasket

B16 head
type r cams or skunk2 stage 1 cams
supertech springs and retainers
oem valves
oem seals n guides

HX35 turbo fresh rebuild with a ported and knife edged twin scroll hotside
ETS twin scroll ram horn manifold
Synapse 500hp intercooler
850 or 1000 cc injectors
255 intank
and all the other nessesities to be complete but im going to be tuned on Neptune at 20 psi

Im looking for 450HP
what do you think?
I think your sleeves will crack. Is that a true twin scroll or just a divided housing turbo? I'm not positive but I think you may need a higher flowing fuel pump.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:22 AM
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18 pounds is the limit normally with b16 blocks. I currently am running 20 pounds on mine. I have beaten my motor everyday as it is my daily driver and I have no issues whatsoever. So I'm gonna say 20 pounds is fine WITH a tune. My tune is set pig rich when boosting for longevity of the motor.....
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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revspeed was pushing 29psi in theres right at 600whp
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZeke5
18 pounds is the limit normally with b16 blocks. I currently am running 20 pounds on mine. I have beaten my motor everyday as it is my daily driver and I have no issues whatsoever. So I'm gonna say 20 pounds is fine WITH a tune. My tune is set pig rich when boosting for longevity of the motor.....

18 psi of boost from t28 will be very diffrent from that of a t67 so how how can you say 20psi is the limit
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rs250nut
18 psi of boost from t28 will be very diffrent from that of a t67 so how how can you say 20psi is the limit
Your correct, there is no specific boost limit as the amount of air you are moving at that boost setting will vary a lot depending on what turbo you are using. It would be more accurate to set a WHP/RPM limit on the stock sleeves than to say "18 psi is the most."
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Finally got my motor back together after two years. Before when I was running stock block I was putting down 274whp at 9.5psi with the following components.

Type R Intake Manifold & Throttle body
GSR cams
680cc Precision injectors
255lph walbro fuel pump
2.5" Charge/Intercooler piping
PWR intercooler (forget what size, supports up to 600hp I believe)
T3/TO4E 57 trim, .63 AR stage 3
38mm Tial WG
Knock off RFL BOV
2.5" Downpipe to 2 1/4 inch exhaust
Speedfactory Mini-ram turbo manifold

New setup:

All of the above but with the following included:

Brian Crower valve springs/retainers
81.5mm CP 9.0:1 Pistons
Eagle H beam Rods
ACL bearings
Twos R us MBC (off a MR2)
2.5" Downpipe to 3" mandrel bent exhaust + magnaflow muffler
CC stage 4 clutch/pressure plate
3 bar MAP sensor (getting tomorrow)

Hoping for 400whp this time around on 92 octane. I'm not an avid enthusiast like I have been these past two years and decided to get her up and running and out of the garage.

Anybody have any reliable 400whp setups with just a piston/rod combo?

Getting tuned tomorrow I'll let you guys know the results.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Turpid Porpoise
Your correct, there is no specific boost limit as the amount of air you are moving at that boost setting will vary a lot depending on what turbo you are using. It would be more accurate to set a WHP/RPM limit on the stock sleeves than to say "18 psi is the most."
And I agree with both of you. I never said 20 pounds is the limit. Well I did say 18 (oops, sorry about that), but I said thats where I'm at. There is no limit as psi are concerned. I have seen motors on stock sleeves pushing 20 plus pounds with 60+ trim turbo's. However, I think it will be fine. He did say holset hx35. If he is trying for 450 HP, with his turbo that he specified, he should be able to achieve those numbers with 14 to 18 pounds. Not really familiar with the exact specs on the turbo but it should't be a problem getting those numbers.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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Had by car tuned yesterday and am happy with the results. I put down 340whp and 236tq on 17-18psi on a dyno dynamics dyno which I hear typically reads lower than most dynameters.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 05:00 PM
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Thanks everyone for your input! although there are some questionable comments on whether or not I should do the build i feel there are enough good ones to finalize my decision on the motor build! I still have to talk to my Tuner about it to see what he thinks (Chris@Xenocron) and (Joel@SpeedTheory/Xenocron) to see if I can safely achieve my goal of 450hp on a fully built B16A2 motor stock sleeves! no more that 20psi.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by damnraz
Had by car tuned yesterday and am happy with the results. I put down 340whp and 236tq on 17-18psi on a dyno dynamics dyno which I hear typically reads lower than most dynameters.
Pretty good numbers, 57 trim correct? Any chance you could post up the dyno chart?
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZeke5
And I agree with both of you. I never said 20 pounds is the limit. Well I did say 18 (oops, sorry about that), but I said thats where I'm at. There is no limit as psi are concerned. I have seen motors on stock sleeves pushing 20 plus pounds with 60+ trim turbo's. However, I think it will be fine. He did say holset hx35. If he is trying for 450 HP, with his turbo that he specified, he should be able to achieve those numbers with 14 to 18 pounds. Not really familiar with the exact specs on the turbo but it should't be a problem getting those numbers.
I know almost nothing about holset turbos as the only ones I have any personal experience with are Garret, Precision and AGP. I think he will be fine as well as long as he has a good tuner and a fairly conservative tune.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 06:44 AM
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Darob28, This is my set up which is similar to yours...

B16A2 BLOCK

eagle rods
je 9:0 compression
stock head gasket

b16a2 HEAD

springs and retainers from DH Racing,
skunk2 valves
TYPE R CAMS
skunk2 cam gears
skunk 2 manifold
omni power 68mm throttle

turbo setup

journal bearing 57trim- 63a/r Garrett turbo
AFI ram horn manifold......
tial 38mm wastegate
tial blowoff valve
2 1/2 tubing for intercooler
3 inch dumppipe to the back.
RC750cc injectors

255 walbro pump

Your turbo I think is bigger than mine, you have bigger injectors which if you can, get 1000 just in case you have room to grow. You wont get cut off like me. Im at 90% duty cycle. The intercooler I have, I dont even know what brand it is. All i know inlet and outlet is 2 1/4. The only two things I have that you MAYBE didnt mention is the intake manifold and throttle. Otherwise, you will be happy with your results and if you get the skunk2 cams, a little happier.

And for viewings, here is my dyno chart.......
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 06:54 AM
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I know almost nothing about holset turbos as the only ones I have any personal experience with are Garret, Precision and AGP. I think he will be fine as well as long as he has a good tuner and a fairly conservative tune.
Same here, mostly garrett. Im gonna switch over to precision in the winter months to try it out, definately 60 trim mininum......

This is what I found on the HX35:

The 8blade hx35 has a 56mm compressor inducer. This is found on 1995-1998 cummins manual pickups. The compressor flows 52 lb/min according to the compressor map. The bolton BEP housing (0.55 a/r) is enough to push the limit of the compressor. There's several 500whp 8blade hx35 cars out there with the bolt on housing. It reaches 20+psi by 3500rpms in 3rd with 272 cams. Smaller cams would equal a faster spool speed in most cases.

The 7blade hx35 has a 56mm compressor inducer. This is found on the 1999-2002 cummins manual pickups. The compressor flows 60lb/min according to the compressor map and logged results from a member here. The bolton BEP housing with the hx35 turbine wheel do not SEAM to have enough flow to really reach the potential of 60lb/min. But many have logged over 50lb/min so far and seen 500whp. The stock hx35 12cm^2 twinscroll turbine housing is a t3 flange housing. This mated to a NON-divided runner manifold has produced a 132mph trap speed with a full weight 1g AWD. This is about 600whp. So the flow is there with the stock housing if you use a non-divided manifold. The spool speed of the 7blade hx35 is similar to the 8blade hx35 with 20+ psi by 3500rpms in the bolton housing and by 4000rpms with the stock housing with a non-divided manifold.


Website i found this on is...

http://www.d-series.org/forums/force...-h1e-wh1e.html

Hope it helps.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 06:55 AM
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^^^ Have you got a video ?
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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^^^^^^

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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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here is my setup:
Stock b16 block
gr head
skunk 2 springs and retainers
ctr cams
id 1000 c injectors
master power .60 trim turbo
walbro 255 fuel pump
ls trans with obx lsd, new synchros and bearings
ect..

car put down 361WHP. could have made more but started cutting with more boost. going to the track next week. hopefully itll hit 11s and 120+traps.
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