SiRCiviC94

I'm looking to beef up the power band and output of a stock b16a log manifold and a t3t4. Revving it out is not needed my trans will always neeed to use 5th gear. It takes too much rpm to not use 5th!

I have CTR cams to drop in using the stock intake manifold and itr tb. 3 bar map sensor. 10-14lbs boost arp bolts. Im Looking for 3-350hp

It'll cost atleast 600$ to do springs, but if I keep tr limit at 8 and use the sir springs would
It still benefit.


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Set up is using a stock head and arp studs once installed.

justYncredible

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proofread and ill try and help you out. not trying to be mean just trying to help

SiRCiviC94

There's a couple errors cause someone gets mad when I'm on my phone!

The just of it is can I reach the goal and save my money on head work. It goes into other places like coil overs and turbo upgrades.

TheShodan

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no one is mad. But it does get increasingly frustrating when one uses their phone to pose a question, but then fails to check their spelling or if it makes sense before they hit send, that's all..

Perhaps it may be better to wait to get to a proper keyboard before sending it, ya know? I know you want to ask fast, just be careful in doing it

SiRCiviC94

Ok. In all honesty this isnt my only delimma but have to decide on my own before posting q's on it in which I'll use good or better grammar!

I was going to use gsrs but came across these ones on sale also I am leaning toward Megan 6bolt cam gears for these cams.

TheShodan

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You won't gain anything with the type R cams with adjustable gears for the turbo you're using. You're MUCH better off staying with stock and go from there. Hell, you can even make them a different color, but stay with stock. You're making purchases that are doing nothing for the build.

SiRCiviC94

They'll need gears! 50bucks. And it's getting a name
Brand journal bearing put on. Precision probably.

The cams will make more power on less boost as far as I know and I don't mind the stock limit. But am tempted to do springs.

Engine re tuned for 10-14lbs what ever he feels
Safe and 3-350 whp. I said hp before.

wantboost

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No they won't need gears. Why argue with people?
On 99% of cars I see they are just there for show... no one ever actually adjusts or tunes can timinh

SiRCiviC94

Fair enough. So just use the pr3 gears on the CTR cams n save the 50 on gears.

There must be gains to be had hp and Tq by dropping them in. A nice turbo a new tune I should be happy.

What else for the build should I address

*** thought I'd also mention I have a 96 jdm Gsr I could use Gsr cams and put the CTR cam
In the na Gsr engine. It's a debate to swap this motor in and boost it but the b16 should reach my goals ... Hopefully

SiRCiviC94

after some research to tend to the overlap issue I could use the ctr intake cam and gsr exhaust cam or gsr cams.

can anyone point me in the right direction? i want to ditch the 1gen sir cams fast.

valveterrain is stock b16a

solfever

id love to know this question as well so i can finish my b16a2 turbo

SiRCiviC94

the deal is I got all the cams.

1gen B16 - not great for boost but does net atlest 250whp

94 or 96 Jdm gsr cams, not sure if theres a difference - great for boost ive read

CTR cam - biggest oem cam for bseries, use on stock valve terrain under 8100rpm?

OR mix the GSR exhaust and CTR intake match up.

tough choice.

wantboost

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Gsr cams are itr cams with less duration basically... b16 cams work just fine

SiRCiviC94

while they may be fine i want to maximise output of the stock 16a and have a set of each cams ready. ill be asking my tuner but always like as much info as possible

im doing the bolt on becuase my kit isnt on of those ones on 6psi it makes 300whp. im trying to get as much power on least boost and maximize the parts i have

justYncredible

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I see what you want to do, but to maximize a stock motor on boost sounds kind of risky to me. Just stick with what you have currently and build that gsr motor you talk about

SiRCiviC94

oh fk that thats my spare motor for when i rebore and build the b16 block (unless it grenades) everything would need upgraded! its in a plated car im too lazy to do the heart surgury (for what a 350/230 gsr estimated) or simply use the B16 (325-350/210-225tq) it depends on the tune im not after a super safe concervative . 300+ on the mustang dyno will net great times I will post them.

230-250whp is not enough. arp studs, gsr intake/exhaust cam (keep it safe), adjustable cam gears, stock intake manifold, cast log turbo maniifold 2.5" straight piped exhaust, open dump 38mm, 680cc low imp-injector/255lph, emusa intercooler still , and either a godspeed gt30 or a precesion journal bearing turbo. $300 or $600$

compression was down at 165 175 175 175 but what the hell? maybe tear in there and just set some new rings? wet test they jumped to 205ish.
it still goes hard as hell as is.

any help on the cam topic or my situation give me a shout!

wantboost

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You won't make 350 on a stock b16.... and you don't need the cams

Why does everyone make a thread asking something and everyone says no but they keep fishing until someone says yes

SiRCiviC94

lol i try not to do that now, but honestly you would run 1gen b16a cams? when you have gsr and ctr and have to tear in there to put headstuds....and probably a new timing belt

even 310 with a good torque line. I will post my previous dyno sheet of 230whp on shy of 7PSI (no boost controller then)

wantboost

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And why 600 for spring and retainers? I can get super tech springs and comp steel retainers for less than 200 bucks... but you don't need them with any of the cams you're using.

If you have the cams already then use them but don't go out of your way to buy them... you'd be better served putting that money towards other parts of the build

SiRCiviC94

like which parts?

i got CTR cams cheap i can always gain a couple bucks from them and use them! but the head is stock. same thing with gsr cams I have them too. Its $600 cause the springs are like 300 I see, and to get them seated properly and inspect the head is like 300. im not going there yet even though id love to hit 9000down the stetch

im going to use the stock head and block with ARP head studs, and whichever cam choice keeping the rev limit at 8000 still or possibly 8100, ill need an antilag 2step to get off the line. (tuning with chrome gold) If i go ctr ill ask the tuner if he can dial out the overlap on the cam gears if its a problem. gsr can set at 0-0 i believe

here is last springs sheet, we did a pull after and netted 232 on 7lbs. notice the power falling off though im not sure this turbo is up for 300+



another added thought ill probably end up with a precision turbo as i dont want to retune if the ebay one gives way

wantboost

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I can get you comp steel retainers for 55 dollars and super tech dual springs for like 150.. new... and unless you've had issues with the head before then there's no reason to have someone go through the head.

Steel retainers are more suited to street motors given their durability... they only way a couple grams more than aluminum or titanium retainers but have a much longer service life... that's what I would run IMO.. we use them on our ls7 builds all the time. They shine on our 600rwhp c6 z06 street/road race car.

The rule of thumb is steel for street, aluminum for street and race and titanium for a dedicated track car

If you got the ctr's cheap enough try to sell them and make some money off them.. people on eBay pay out the *** for them.

justYncredible

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You do realize you don't need cam gears on stock cams...right
I have itr cams with the itr cam gears, but I have a gsr motor. After reading these post by the OP I'm starting to think he is treating this motor like a rubber band.

SiRCiviC94

the idea was to be able to adjust the overlap of the exhaust cam during the tune. but I am going to opt for GSR cams(stock gears) and either ARP head studs or TDautowerkes 1000WHP+ studs (they are the same thread pitch as oem)

-want boost even with the discount im having to have the shop seat the setup but its good to keep in mind. stock b16a block, b16a head supertech springs steel retainers stock valve stems etc CTR cams and rev out to about 9grand vs stock head/GSR cams

I am tempted to throw the ctr cams in the NA gsr now and just boot on them

wantboost

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Seat the setup? Its simple.. take out old springs and retainers... install new.. done

If you want to pick up a set one day I can tell you where to get them.

I mean the CTR cams are good for boost, but I think with your power goals a set of gsr cams would be fine and cheaper.

Put the CTRs in your na motor and tune it and have a fun far with a little more grunt.

SiRCiviC94

^ the gsr is a little happy on the nitrous, but again stock springs in there! id love to tune the ctr cams, stock head/rev limit, and a heavy 65-80shot dry. (ek hatch)

dont lock my thread because its all over moderator :D this is focused on my boosted B16a w/ gsr cams! but what turbo?