DA MUGEN 1

Building a street set up using T3/T4 Hybrid Turbonetics turbo, Apexi GT spec intercooler, GSR Bottom with block guard, 9.5 Je Pistons, Crower Billet Rods, and ITR Head. Anyone have this similiar set up and how much boost are you running without sleeves?

TurboJesse

people are making over 500whp on stock sleeves...

downpipe

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people are making over 500whp on stock sleeves...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes there are, including geoff...i think it was 536 but i could be mistaken. i'm not sure about the blockguard though, there are many mixed opinions about the usefulness of that item.

JonnyCoupe

I wanna do the same with my B16

Rods and pistons, its too hard to get sleeves done as im over in th UK and there no many Honda tuning people that specialised yet.

Would this be a bad idea? I wanna run about 400bhp eventually or should i just import over a Darton B20

I also dubious about block guards, IMO they should be located farer into the block so there is coolant around the top of the sleeve where combustion takes place

Cheers

DA MUGEN 1

How much boost are you guys running safely with pistons and rods but no sleeves. Block guards dont have to be placed right at the top of the cylinders, I have a friend who stacked 3 block guards in his block and spaced each one out. I don't think I'm going to do that but its been done. My main concern is I am wondering how much boost I can run safely with this set up. Do you guys have a similiar set up thanks in advance.

TurboJesse

the boost you run doesn't mean anything....its the power you make..

DA MUGEN 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the boost you run doesn't mean anything....its the power you make..</TD></TR></TABLE>

How do you figure If I run too much boost yeah all make alot of power but I will blow my motor!!! I need too know what the maximum amount of boost I can run so I don't blow my motor but I make the most power!!!

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA MUGEN 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How do you figure If I run too much boost yeah all make alot of power but I will blow my motor!!! I need too know what the maximum amount of boost I can run so I don't blow my motor but I make the most power!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

there is no maximum amount of boost you can run, boost doesn't blow you motor, teh power your makign will. there is too many variables to say how much boost you can run, since you didn't even give specs on the size turbo your running no one can answer how much boost you can run (even with turbo specs, it is impossible to give a good answer)

TurboJesse

I suggest you research alittle more...learn the basics of things.

DA MUGEN 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suggest you research alittle more...learn the basics of things.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have a degree in Automotive, I was a technician for 2 years, and have been working in the aftermarket industry for 3 years!!! I know the basics!!! You are looking into my thread to much, I am just asking if anyone else has a similiar build to what I have and what amount of boost are they running. This includes proper tuning and Air Fuel Ratios!!! I have a Hondata computer that will be tuned by Jeff at Import Builders. I am building just a fun street car of course I am not going to try to run 30psi!!!
I am just trying to get other peoples feed back as to what psi other people are set at. Don't try to high jack my thread with a know it all attitude!!! If you don't have any useful suggestions then get the hell off my thread!!!

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA MUGEN 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I have a degree in Automotive, I was a technician for 2 years, and have been working in the aftermarket industry for 3 years!!! I know the basics!!! You are looking into my thread to much, I am just asking if anyone else has a similiar build to what I have and what amount of boost are they running. This includes proper tuning and Air Fuel Ratios!!! I have a Hondata computer that will be tuned by Jeff at Import Builders. I am building just a fun street car of course I am not going to try to run 30psi!!!
I am just trying to get other peoples feed back as to what psi other people are set at. Don't try to high jack my thread with a know it all attitude!!! If you don't have any useful suggestions then get the hell off my thread!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>


I wasn't trying to hijack your thread, just based on the info you gave, (no specs on turbo, etc) no one can give you an accurate answer. I would say with your setup you can safely make 400whp, who cares how much boost it takes to make it, set your goal in HP, not PSI. I run 14-15 psi on a stock engine, but with out know anything about my setup, how conservative my tune is, etc...the 14-15psi really means nothing.

bigwig

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA MUGEN 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I have a degree in Automotive, I was a technician for 2 years, and have been working in the aftermarket industry for 3 years!!! I know the basics!!! You are looking into my thread to much, I am just asking if anyone else has a similiar build to what I have and what amount of boost are they running. This includes proper tuning and Air Fuel Ratios!!! I have a Hondata computer that will be tuned by Jeff at Import Builders. I am building just a fun street car of course I am not going to try to run 30psi!!!
I am just trying to get other peoples feed back as to what psi other people are set at. Don't try to high jack my thread with a know it all attitude!!! If you don't have any useful suggestions then get the hell off my thread!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

dont pay attention to Mpir3...hes a douche bag that no one likes.

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigwig &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

dont pay attention to Mpir3...hes a douche bag that no one likes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how about you actually turbo your car for once What are you having problems with you Silcone connectors on your downpipe

turbotypeR@SPEC

i just did one https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=709963
and my car was set up that way for a long time a well.detonation breaks sleeves,not pressure.

DA MUGEN 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just did one https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=709963
and my car was set up that way for a long time a well.detonation breaks sleeves,not pressure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow good thread, made a hell of alot of power on a stock block!!! Makes me feel comfortable about boosting 12 psi. The higher the boost the higher risk of failure and detonation thats why I want to keep it at a reasonable level but still make good power. Thanks for the info

DA MUGEN 1

Mpir3 thought I told you if you don't have anything useful to say to get the hell off my thread!!! Obviously you've offended other people in the past too

Drew Peacock

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA MUGEN 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Mpir3 thought I told you if you don't have anything useful to say to get the hell off my thread!!! Obviously you've offended other people in the past too </TD></TR></TABLE> Dude what he said was 100% correct. You want to learn or not?? Boost is only a measure of pressure, what you want to ask is how much horsepower is it safe to make on stock sleeves. If wanting to get an idea of want kind of boost pressure to run get the spec's for your turbo, then people will be able to give you a "vague" idea, of how much power you will make at certain boost levels. And whether or not it is safe with that particular combination of parts.

rjardy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

how about you actually turbo your car for once What are you having problems with you Silcone connectors on your downpipe </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ahhhh yes, that one was a classic.
Everybody play nice now.

Rob

DA MUGEN 1

Hey I just went back and read the post I see what you guys mean about me making it sound like too much pressure was going too bust the sleeves open. HA HA HA I see now why you guys misunderstood I just wanted to get feed back on your builds with a stock block maybe then I could use it for my own build. I know its detonation that kills blocks and internals but usually the more the boost the more the problems. So let me rephrase the question what is your build on a stock block what kind of power are you producing and at what psi? Sorry for lashing out MPIR3I was kind of in a aggravated mood when I read your posts.

DA MUGEN 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA MUGEN 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How do you figure If I run too much boost yeah all make alot of power but I will blow my motor!!! I need too know what the maximum amount of boost I can run so I don't blow my motor but I make the most power!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the post that I didn't explain myself the way I should of. I made it sound like the pressure was going to bust my block open. I just didn't explain it correctly


Modified by DA MUGEN 1 at 12:22 AM 12/23/2003

X-Mazda 3 Racer

I always say this, if you are going to spend that much money on new rods, pistons, assembly, all the goodies, why skimp on the block? Sleeve it and never worry about it. You will spend alot more $ doing it twice rather than going and doing it right the first time Pay alot now, or alot more later! If you sleeve it, you can do whatever you want to! Just my .02

downpipe

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GoldenEagleMfg.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I always say this, if you are going to spend that much money on new rods, pistons, assembly, all the goodies, why skimp on the block? Sleeve it and never worry about it. You will spend alot more $ doing it twice rather than going and doing it right the first time Pay alot now, or alot more later! If you sleeve it, you can do whatever you want to! Just my .02 </TD></TR></TABLE>

my GE sleeves and I agree...

jinxproof99

whether it takes 10 lbs of boost to make 400 hp, or 15 lbs of boost, the boost itself is not whats going to blow the motor. do some more research and you will learn.

SiR Kid

I'm running rods/pistons in my unsleeved b16a... I was in a hurry, and I wasn't planning on going big bore. My project was to shoot for 250 at the wheels at the time, and I've almsot accomplished it, so I have recently purchased another bar block for Golden Eagle to touch.

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR Kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm running rods/pistons in my unsleeved b16a... I was in a hurry, and I wasn't planning on going big bore. My project was to shoot for 250 at the wheels at the time, and I've almsot accomplished it, so I have recently purchased another bar block for Golden Eagle to touch. </TD></TR></TABLE>

are you kidding me? you could easily make another 100whp with all STOCK internals, I was planning on doing pistons/rods in my b16a and going for 450-475, instead i have to stick with my stock block for now, still going for 380-400whp on c16