Any one try the AEM engine position module with coil on plug yet?
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too bad this sensor isnt on the other side of the head like tony's to allow use of a distributor. i have honestly never seen a cop setup that was any hotter or as hot as a good single coil setup with a distributor. right now the only 9.3x B series sfwd hondas are running single coil afaik
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">too bad this sensor isnt on the other side of the head like tony's to allow use of a distributor. i have honestly never seen a cop setup that was any hotter or as hot as a good single coil setup with a distributor. right now the only 9.3x B series sfwd hondas are running single coil afaik</TD></TR></TABLE>
They better not make any mistake because if they do then Bisi in his 9.50 all motor SOHC with AEM's COP setup is going to blow by them...
They better not make any mistake because if they do then Bisi in his 9.50 all motor SOHC with AEM's COP setup is going to blow by them...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mirage »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They better not make any mistake because if they do then Bisi in his 9.50 all motor SOHC with AEM's COP setup is going to blow by them...</TD></TR></TABLE>
what are you trying to compare? a 2400lb full interior 24.5" tire no wheelie bar car to a gutted full race 1800lb wheelie bar car? not only is that apples to oranges, it also has nothing to do with this topic.
They better not make any mistake because if they do then Bisi in his 9.50 all motor SOHC with AEM's COP setup is going to blow by them...</TD></TR></TABLE>
what are you trying to compare? a 2400lb full interior 24.5" tire no wheelie bar car to a gutted full race 1800lb wheelie bar car? not only is that apples to oranges, it also has nothing to do with this topic.
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Re: Any one try the AEM engine position module with coil on plug yet? (tepid1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tepid1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They do.
Iridiums too.
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Maybe I was not clear but that was my whole point. They do not make a copper plug that is reasonably priced and that is what we all want. Sure you can run the IK20's or the platinum Bosch's (I have sets of both, as well as coils FS btw) but we don't wanna have to drop 35-45$ on every spark plug change. This is the second reason I chose to go single channel and is why I believe most SFWD guys did the same.
Iridiums too.
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Maybe I was not clear but that was my whole point. They do not make a copper plug that is reasonably priced and that is what we all want. Sure you can run the IK20's or the platinum Bosch's (I have sets of both, as well as coils FS btw) but we don't wanna have to drop 35-45$ on every spark plug change. This is the second reason I chose to go single channel and is why I believe most SFWD guys did the same.
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There are more gains than hotter spark when going COP: you have full control of ignition timing per cylinder per RPM, and when tuning, there are some very nice HP numbers hidden there.
Modified by Bisimoto at 7:07 AM 12/17/2007
Modified by Bisimoto at 7:07 AM 12/17/2007
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How is the seal on this item? I notice there is only 1 bolt holding it to the side unlike the three bolts there for the stock dizzy. Any oil leaks or has someone fab'd another arm for an extra bolt support on the Honda part?
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Re: (blaze the chemi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blaze the chemi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is the seal on this item? I notice there is only 1 bolt holding it to the side unlike the three bolts there for the stock dizzy. Any oil leaks or has someone fab'd another arm for an extra bolt support on the Honda part?</TD></TR></TABLE>The unit is pretty light and 1 12mm is plenty. It seals using a OEM O ring just like a stock distributor. Looks like a good seal to me: 
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Re: (Bisimoto)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are more gains than hotter spark when going COP: you have full control of ignition timing per cylinder per RPM, and when tuning, there are some very nice HP numbers hidden there.
Modified by Bisimoto at 7:07 AM 12/17/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.
Modified by Bisimoto at 7:07 AM 12/17/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.
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Re: (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.</TD></TR></TABLE>so what is your opinion on this new aem toy??? did you have anything to do with this??? just would like to kow your feed back
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.</TD></TR></TABLE>so what is your opinion on this new aem toy??? did you have anything to do with this??? just would like to kow your feed back
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Re: (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are more gains than hotter spark when going COP: you have full control of ignition timing per cylinder per RPM, and when tuning, there are some very nice HP numbers hidden there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Distributors still "distribute" spark mechanically via contacts, and hence you have a limited field for degree changes. Also per RPM is a cinch with COP, and of course the proper EMS.
You can still do timing control per cylinder with a distributor setup. The ECU still has to fire the coil for each spark event, and the ECU knows which cylinder it's firing when you have both cam and crank pickups.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are more gains than hotter spark when going COP: you have full control of ignition timing per cylinder per RPM, and when tuning, there are some very nice HP numbers hidden there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Distributors still "distribute" spark mechanically via contacts, and hence you have a limited field for degree changes. Also per RPM is a cinch with COP, and of course the proper EMS.
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I don't understand "per rpm".
You're right, there is a limited window of ignition control with a cap and rotor due to rotor width, but that range is quite large and has nothing to do with individual timing control per cylinder.
The distributor still distributes the spark mechanically, but the ignition timing is still controlled by when the ecu fires the coil for each cylinder.
I still have a distributor on my race car and can control ignition per cylinder at any rpm and any manifold pressure.
What exactly is it that you can do with COP that you can't with a dist?
You're right, there is a limited window of ignition control with a cap and rotor due to rotor width, but that range is quite large and has nothing to do with individual timing control per cylinder.
The distributor still distributes the spark mechanically, but the ignition timing is still controlled by when the ecu fires the coil for each cylinder.
I still have a distributor on my race car and can control ignition per cylinder at any rpm and any manifold pressure.
What exactly is it that you can do with COP that you can't with a dist?
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Re: (xsi-t)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xsi-t »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what is your opinion on this new aem toy??? did you have anything to do with this??? just would like to kow your feed back</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wouldn't say i had anything to do with it directly, but it sure is a great idea! lol
I'm sure if the electronics prove to hold up well, it'll work great.
I wouldn't say i had anything to do with it directly, but it sure is a great idea! lol
I'm sure if the electronics prove to hold up well, it'll work great.
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[QUOTE=tony1]I don't understand "per rpm".
You're right, there is a limited window of ignition control with a cap and rotor due to rotor width, but that range is quite large and has nothing to do with individual timing control per cylinder.
The distributor still distributes the spark mechanically, but the ignition timing is still controlled by when the ecu fires the coil for each cylinder.
I still have a distributor on my race car and can control ignition per cylinder at any rpm and any manifold pressure.
What exactly is it that you can do with COP that you can't with a dist?[/
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nothing, except for hotter spark at the plug itself, which can easily be taken care of by a high powered CDI box. In theory the coil per cylinder setup's only advantage is to have longer dwell time for each coil to charge, hence it only fires once for its spark event.
You're right, there is a limited window of ignition control with a cap and rotor due to rotor width, but that range is quite large and has nothing to do with individual timing control per cylinder.
The distributor still distributes the spark mechanically, but the ignition timing is still controlled by when the ecu fires the coil for each cylinder.
I still have a distributor on my race car and can control ignition per cylinder at any rpm and any manifold pressure.
What exactly is it that you can do with COP that you can't with a dist?[/
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nothing, except for hotter spark at the plug itself, which can easily be taken care of by a high powered CDI box. In theory the coil per cylinder setup's only advantage is to have longer dwell time for each coil to charge, hence it only fires once for its spark event.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, i like individual coil setups more than distributor setups, but the only advantage is a hotter ignition system and the ability to literally fire the coil at any point in the engine cycle. Only real time that's useful is if you need extreme ignition retard on an anti lag system. With individual coils you can fire 40 deg ATDC if you want to, where you can't physically do that with a distributor since the rotor won't be pointing at the correct cylinder, or any cylinder for that matter.
My new setup will be individual coils, the M&W Pro 14 with OMC coils.
My new setup will be individual coils, the M&W Pro 14 with OMC coils.
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Re: (tony1)
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My new setup will be individual coils, the M&W Pro 14 with OMC coils. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Copy cat. lol
My new setup will be individual coils, the M&W Pro 14 with OMC coils. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Copy cat. lol
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2turbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What happens if one coil goes out on a cop setup?At high rpm while making a run?</TD></TR></TABLE>
you end up with a WRX engine
same thing as a misfire, misfires are when your spark doesnt ignite the flame
you end up with a WRX engine
same thing as a misfire, misfires are when your spark doesnt ignite the flame
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So who's selling these new units?
I managed to track down a M&W Pro14 box with CBR coils for one hell of a deal. Still looking to buy my AEM EMS and a trigger kit. This would work better on my setup than the T1 kit, just due to allowing me to have a filter and keep the timing belt covered (it gets driven on the streets).
I'm going COP simply to get away from all of my MSD products.
Heck if the AEM coils allow me to run my same old NGK plugs, how much are the new coils too?
I managed to track down a M&W Pro14 box with CBR coils for one hell of a deal. Still looking to buy my AEM EMS and a trigger kit. This would work better on my setup than the T1 kit, just due to allowing me to have a filter and keep the timing belt covered (it gets driven on the streets).
I'm going COP simply to get away from all of my MSD products.
Heck if the AEM coils allow me to run my same old NGK plugs, how much are the new coils too?