Here's some things to check before tearing into the block.

40% sounds like a lot to be comming from just the rings,
This is how I check with a leak down.

Bring each cylinder upto TDC, Remove the oil cap and radiater cap. Run at least 100psi in the cylinder and listen for leaking air.
If you have a 40% leak down , you have a lot of air going somewhere.
If it's just the rings, you will be able to feel air comming from the oil cap, If it's a head gasket , bubbling in the coolant.
Valves, Open the thottle body and check, Also listen into the exhaust.
I have also seen bad valve jobs give high leak downs, Even with a serdi. If the seat is ground on the wong angle with a serdi, it will never seal.
I just like a check it out 100% before I have the block in a million pieces
Good luck.

 

Thanks for the advice. It is possible that the shops gauge was off.

We heard nothing out of the exhaust. There was also no bubbling through the coolant.

 

It is very possible.
Even without a gauge, If you put 100+ psi into the cylinder. 40% would be very noticeble blowing out of the oil fill hole.
With 5% or better leak down, You would hear a very faint hissing sound, 40% is lot.
I have seen motors with broken ring lands and rings get 25%.

 

Also want to note that when I poured the capful of oil in each cyl. before the comp test, the numbers jumped up about 20psi each.

That would definatly to ONLY rings correct?

 

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Your numbers will always jump when you put oil into the cylinder, it's just allowing the rings to seal better when you add in the oil. Now if the numbers jump through the roof when you add in the oil it's a different story.

Austin

 

First off, how many miles were on the motor ( or minutes? ) , what kind of oil was used, what was the tune like? There are so many variables when tryong to determine what the cause for loss of compression is. We have had motors take up to 500 miles to get good numbers, and that is sometimes because of the tune. The easiest way to wash out rings is to run it rich. Detonation will also kill rings that are not seated fully. Is the motor buring oil? Water? I want to help to get this thing running right! I know you have been through alot!!

 

When I did the first compression test, there was about 200 miles on the motor. Leakdown was around 250 miles. The shop I have to go to is far.

No tune, stock ecu. Stock injectors, stock rail, regulator, ect.

I dont see how I can run rich or detonate under stock ecu with no boost.

I smell oil when I roll down my window when driving. But there seems to be VERY little oil level drop on my dipstick. No water and oil mixture.

Oil used was non synthetic 10w30. Mobil 1.

 

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Hehe, to top it off, my brake master cylinder just died and I almost rear ended a Benz! I hate towing my car everywhere

 

If you deal with Vince and Vince only I know your problems will be fixed. He is a good guy and the nicest guy I dealt with at Golden Eagle.

 

I know he is a good guy. So is Ted.

I wasnt able to contact them in time today because my work and school schedule sucks.

 

I have talked with Ted a couple times too. He is a nice guy but I think Vince is more willing to help the consumer. I hope you get everything worked out. I have a GEM block that's being built soon but I am not worried one bit

 

I have 600whp running on one of his blocks..good stuff

 

Damn, thanks for the good words guys. Maybe I will run for California Governor.....HAHAHA
Anyways, I have read everything you have posted and I am still a little stumped. Anytime that I have seen this problem, the car has ran too rich causing the rings to wash out, even then, I have never seen such crappy leakdown numbers! ( It was a leakdown right, not a Comp. gauge? ) Anyways, if the problem persists then you know that we will take care of it as best we can! Remember, I've got your back!!! Call me tomorrow and lets talk about how to get this thing figured out!!!
(909) 592 - 4311

 

I had my own problems with Golden Eagle but I guess it wasn't with GE themselves...just their bore and hone guy(don't know his name) I got my block back after being gone for like 2 months and it turns out the dude over bored it.. I talked to Robert and let him know what was up and he took care of it for me..resleaved the block and sent it back to me free of charge of course... Anyway, they took care of the problem as best they could...just upset me that the guy over bored it.....I'd like to know his name so I can have someone to be mad at though...hahaha...

 

hey i'am planing to resleeve my h22a block stock bore ( 87mm) should i send to GE ? i was hoping so to send over to them but now thinking what kind of people work there MmMMm ..

 

I would send another block to them...I'll probably send them my LS here in a month or 2.

 

I guess I will have to wait another weekend to go by......




Modified by intekragsr at 9:50 AM 10/20/2003

 

Vince, please call me....

 

Has this been dealt with or have you communicated with GEM/Vince in any way since your last post? Curious.

 

Well finally today I got to talk to Ted since I called and sounded like an *******. Whenever I call I get put off like im worthless. Its strange how everytime I call Vince steps out of the office.

Anyway, Ted said they will warranty it under certain conditions. Im thinking of giving up on the whole honda game. Its been a nice dream since freshmen year to own a turbo integ, but its gotten too far. The whole account I saved for years is negative x 1000's due to this. Labor kills me now. I cant afford to do it myself anymore since I work full time and school full time. Like the guy said above, maybe turbo honda's werent for me.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your issues man... I'm getting ready to fire up my motor hopefully tonight when I get home. I was just waiting on a couple of misc. parts... It was also built by Golden Eagle. I'm crossing my fingers that there are no issues.

 

keep us updated. Good luck.

 

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Anyway, Ted said they will warranty it under certain conditions. Im thinking of giving up on the whole honda game. Its been a nice dream since freshmen year to own a turbo integ, but its gotten too far. The whole account I saved for years is negative x 1000's due to this. Labor kills me now. I cant afford to do it myself anymore since I work full time and school full time. Like the guy said above, maybe turbo honda's werent for me. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If I were you, why don't you find a LS motor or longblock, or a GSR longblock (STOCK) and boost that for now. I think that if you have to have the best stuff the first time around, you're just going to spend so much money that you CAN'T afford to have ****-ups. And I think that's what's happening, since you are having so many problems, caused by you or not. Here's a for you man, you need one.

 

Hehe, this is not my first time around. Ive been through stock motors too.

Another question. Do you think Golden Eagle should pay for my labor costs? I mean, its not my fault for the messup, and now I have to dish out MORE money. I think this should be covered by them, and so does my uncle (coorporate lawyer).

Any opinions on this?

 

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Another question. Do you think Golden Eagle should pay for my labor costs? I mean, its not my fault for the messup, and now I have to dish out MORE money. I think this should be covered by them, and so does my uncle (coorporate lawyer).

Any opinions on this? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Of course they should, but in reality, I highly doubt that they will. Imagine the waterfall effect that could cause for them, if you get it, then everybody would demand it. I'm sure there are plenty of clauses in their warranty that prevent situations like this. If you have free legal counsel then you are at an advantage over most of their customers. Essentially, for their **** up, they will have lost money and time that could have been spent on profitable work, it would take a big man to suck it up and do the right thing considering the circumstances. hehe I smell a non disclosure agreement Good luck recouping your losses, seriously!