haha bye bye stock tranny

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha bye bye stock tranny </TD></TR></TABLE>

It wont be stock

 

[QUOTE=rota92]Yea see, 2400 lbs vs 1600 lbs lol thats a world of a difference.

And no matter stock or not...bye bye haha

I got 24.5's to hook 1.5 and 4.1 dumping all the car had right at it. I'd look elsewhere for you problems, or you're going to be in a heap of broken parts as well as the car lugging HARD at the big end.[/QUOTE

well i thank you for your input and will concider everything that was said.
I will keep you posted.......................
I still plan to spray

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by motoxx644 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its just for the track, It was on a 24" slick.. were in the middle of changing that to 5 lug and then hacking the fenders and the front end to make a 28" tall 10" wide slick fit in there, its got full interior no weight reductions to speak of though
its a gsr </TD></TR></TABLE>

For the record, you're basing your idea of speed & lag on a 1600lb car and a 2600lb car. Theres a BIG difference there. Slap the H22 in the pig and it definately won't do 10's. For fair reference, a friend can do low 11's with a 275whp B20/v in a 1-ton hatch.

One issue you will have is traction if you don't spray in stages. You do realize the same amount of N2O at 4k makes twice the torque vs the same amount at 8k?

An instant 300shot at 4k rpm will make insane torque, probably ripping the tranny apart from the abruptness. It will be even worse when, not if, you spray lower, since having power at 4k is probably considered 'laggy' to you as well. There was a 2.0 B-series shown on H-T that had an accident on the dyno with a 150 or 200 shot: the dyno read 540wtq at ~2k rpm when it was activated early. It didn't blow anything up (lasted a second), mind you, but 50% more will be that much worse.

 

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There was a 2.0 B-series shown on H-T that had an accident on the dyno with a 150 or 200 shot: the dyno read 540wtq at ~2k rpm when it was activated early. It didn't blow anything up (lasted a second), mind you, but 50% more will be that much worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>

got a link ?

 

sctuned on k20a.org did a 200shot I believe on some crower rods etc etc, and grenaded the motor. I would recommend something like some pauters, or carrillo. I had some custom saenz in my turbo motor and would consider running something beeefy. I couldnt imagine a 300shot, and I hope your going to do a few different stages. Maybe a 100 or 125 out of the hole, then dump the rest after you get past the 330' mark. I see your from valpo...i used to live in portage. Lots and Lots of good times at VU...

 

ive sprayed around 300hp worth of nitrous on a b-series.. worked out good considering i didnt know **** at the time i was doing it..lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecspeed1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sctuned on k20a.org did a 200shot I believe on some crower rods etc etc, and grenaded the motor. I would recommend something like some pauters, or carrillo. I had some custom saenz in my turbo motor and would consider running something beeefy. I couldnt imagine a 300shot, and I hope your going to do a few different stages. Maybe a 100 or 125 out of the hole, then dump the rest after you get past the 330' mark. I see your from valpo...i used to live in portage. Lots and Lots of good times at VU...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes i plan on spraying in stages not all at once,

yea VU has some CRAzy times !!!

 

What trans are you planning on running?

You could have capatalized the whole CRAZY!!! Its true...

 

Me and few close friends have had pretty good luck with 150 shots on stock short blocks......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Me and few close friends have had pretty good luck with 150 shots on stock short blocks......</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nitrous isn't a "pretty good" luck thing: You either have "good" luck (your engine has blown) or "bad" luck (you get to see a rod sticking through your block).

 

Have you considered a progressive controller?

 

Lets look at the facts here...your talking about a 1600lb car and a 2600lbs car, which are worlds apart.

Secondly, you don't want turbo lag...well there is none at the track.

Thirdly, your transmission will definately blow up

Fourthly, while your hoping and praying your motor doesn't blow up everytime you run it, regardless of the parts you use..my 2600lbs car will be running consistant 10's on pump gas on slicks without ever filling up a bottle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Nitrous isn't a "pretty good" luck thing: You either have "good" luck (your engine has blown) or "bad" luck (you get to see a rod sticking through your block).




</TD></TR></TABLE>I'll put it like this. They NEVER chucked a rod or even spon a bearing. The pistons are the weak link. So that why I say pretty good luck.

 

While I won't claim to have any considerable expertise when it comes to nitrous, I would like to offer some additional data for consideration.

A few years ago, the magazine "Car Craft" ran an article in which they decided to see how much nitrous a 350 chevy could swallow before it grenaded. The result ruined some of the engines top end, but didn't ultimately damage it in a way that the writers were expecting. You can find the full article here:

http://www.carcraft.com/techar....html

No pre-detonation. No broken rods, pistons, or bottom end. No separating heads. What happened was simply that the kit was putting out more gasses than the engine could inhale. It was like overfilling a glass, everything just started spilling out. The atomized nitrous and fuel collected in a cloud above the carb. One errant spark and it went up in a fireball, ruining the carb and part of the upper intake.

The 350 (5.7 liter) in question was able to inhale just short of 300hp worth of nitrous up around 6500rpm. A 2.0L Honda is a good measure smaller (by a factor of .35), but can run up around 8500rpm or more (a factor of 1.3) and has a greatly improved volumetric efficiency at those higher rpms (I'd bet by about 1.2, possibly more). If we apply these factors to 250 (a reasonably safe shot for a 5.7@6500) we get a result of 136. So it would be reasonable that 136 would be a safe shot on the 2.0@8500. If you make the engine bigger, get it to run faster, or improve its volumetric efficiency, you can then run more nitrous.

But like I said, I'm not an expert. I'm just offering fuel to the fire in the form of data.

Now you know what would be really crazy? If you could put a sensor along the intake tract that would detect an overflow of nitrous and automatically back off the output accordingly. But you'd have to be a mad scientist to do something like that.

Right? Mwahahahaha.

 

This is what happens when you add 300hp to a stock d series....

http://videos.streetfire.net/v...0.htm

 

I always love that video.

 

260whp and 10s what does the car trap? I trap 118s with 100shot have a buddy that runs 10.6s but traps 130-133 and that's 175 direct port stock block far from 260whp. That car must be cutting some serious 60ft for those times and numbers.

Lots of ppl running 100-125 on stock K blocks. I don't see why a built block with Kpro can't take at least 200 shot tuned. That should be low 10s easy.

You mean you want something like this?



Modified by EM2Civic at 9:52 PM 9/9/2008

 

did you already start?

 

I really appreciate EVERYONES input,!!!!!!!!!!! I am underway with my project, Just got off of the phone with CP pistons and carrillo rods Carillo will take my bore stroke and piston weight assy,(435g) and are going to custom engeneer me a set of rods and CP, I can get away with 11.5:1 comp. Or could also go to 9:1 comp

 

nitrous rules.. y dont you spray more. more power means faster et. right?

 

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We tried hard to get the car to live......To bad the power band on the 300(the nozzle will only flow enough for 250whp)shot went straight up then right for about 1" before it blew....It did the same on the 150 hp shot

 

seems like it needed a progressive shot to get the car to handle that 250 shot, 250 all at once just overwhelmed it

 

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Lol, Im not sure that motor would of handled it anyway you looked at it. Thats a lot of nitrous!

 

No way n hell 260 WHP is going 10.5s in any Honda chassis passing a tech inspection...


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