Toyota themselves don't even use the 2J on their factory backed JGTC cars over in Japan. I think you've started a firestorm w/ YOUR lack of knowledge. I'll let H-T beat you down on this one.

 

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Please do research before you post.

Considering I have a LSx powered FC in my garage. The motor cost me less than your 2jz. I am making 300ft/tq BEFORE 2500rpm.

Maybe you should not comment about it then. You are in left field. Your friend need to do more research, good lord he is off.

Supreme in the fact that it:

1) weighs more
2) longer, throwing the weight off even more
3) higher center of weight

2jz would be a great engine for a drag car. Road racing or anything else, it would suck in that chassis. </TD></TR></TABLE>

actually a LS1 weights less than a 240sx 4cyl motor FYI

 

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this doesnt mean hardly anything. They do Alot of things different in japan PERIOD.

 

Jerel i seriously hope your not talking to me about lack of knowledge

 

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For a heads/cam package which includes: FAST 90/90 (ported), UD pulley, TFS heads, custom cam, injectors, tuning and install. This heads/cam setup has proved itself 3 times over to make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated on the stock 346.

I'm not here to argue between the LSx vs 2JZ, just stating on the price of an above-average heads/cam package.

Carry on.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jerel i seriously hope your not talking to me about lack of knowledge </TD></TR></TABLE>

I really want you to elaborate on what I do and don't know oh all mighty internet *****. Yeah I can't type as fast as you and yeah I don't have a myspace page full of dudes and yeah I'm not an IA mod but tell me where my knowledge is lacking. I'll take any knowledge based test you want to prove that one.

Let's even do a motor teardown/buildup w/o the help of your friends. Me and you!! Any motor-expletive it-your new god-the 2JZ.

Let's take some basic high school tests, some ASEs, and that motor teardown/buildup and blow your *** out the water. All in all. I'm Mr. Cocky on this one!!!

You're like most service advisors at dealerships. You talk like you know when it comes down to it you still have techs working on your **** or answering your questions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BLK JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really want you to elaborate on what I do and don't know oh all mighty internet *****. Yeah I can't type as fast as you and yeah I don't have a myspace page full of dudes and yeah I'm not an IA mod but tell me where my knowledge is lacking. I'll take any knowledge based test you want to prove that one.
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Werent you just over here 2 weeks ago checking out the shop being all nice an friendly? i swear you an danny are bipolar.

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Let's even do a motor teardown/buildup w/o the help of your friends. Me and you!! Any motor-expletive it-your new god-the 2JZ.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure, im up for that challenge, ill build a motor, then you can build a motor, then we can install them, then we can dyno them. but wait, didnt we already have this discussion YEARS AGO when your "XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX" built motor was going to "destroy my built GSR" and it spun a bearing within 600 miles? isnt taht the same motor you claimed made over 200whp but you sold it, yet it was still in the car when you sold your hatch?

Again, you an a select few think i dont do my own work because im always on the internet, thats fine, i have nothing to prove to you. But feel free to ask chunky if i built my 2JZ head, ask dave if i built my 2JZ motor, which i did. Ask Charles if i assembled my head for my 2.0l LSVTEC motor, ask them who put the 2.0l motor in MY CRX, oh wait that was me.

but, you think you know me, so form your own opinions, it doesnt matter to me . JUst cause your a grease monkey an im an office internet ***** dont hate. go change some ******* tranny fluid


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Let's take some basic high school tests, some ASEs, and that motor teardown/buildup and blow your *** out the water. All in all. I'm Mr. Cocky on this one!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
ASE tests dont prove you know anything. just means you can take a test. An in my field (the non general maintanence field) ASE tests dont mean anything. I have seen plenty of ASE cert mechanics that dont know ****.

High school tests? sure, i graduated with a 3.4. College i wasnt so lucky though, i had bigger plans and better interests than college at the time. so if your enrolled in college right now, congrats to you, keep trucking

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You're like most service advisors at dealerships. You talk like you know when it comes down to it you still have techs working on your **** or answering your questions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your wrong again.

I am Sales and Promotions Manager and Tech Advisor at MSPi. that is my official title. Charles and james are my techs. Charles is also majority owner. He is my boss.

Now, ever think that they hired me to run the phones, set appts, and do consultations because I KNOW WHAT IM DOING? you dont just pick someone randomly off the street to be the "honda guru". I dont know everything, an i learned alot from DonF, Rocket Motorsports, SMSP, David Hsu, Shagday, RMF, J0hn@hitech, etc etc etc. They have all contributed to my knowledge and i thank them for that.

So if you want to challenge me, go for it, i have nothing to hide. i have nothing to gain either, because jerel again youve made this about ME AND YOU, when in reality, its more about YOUR insecurities than my shop or abilities.

Cheers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 19sec beast &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For a heads/cam package which includes: FAST 90/90 (ported), UD pulley, TFS heads, custom cam, injectors, tuning and install. This heads/cam setup has proved itself 3 times over to make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated on the stock 346.

I'm not here to argue between the LSx vs 2JZ, just stating on the price of an above-average heads/cam package.

Carry on. </TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks daniel, that was my point

 

*QUE LONG WINDED POINTLESS RESPONSE FROM JEREL AKA BLK JDM*

 

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HAHA you are a dumb *** keep bringing my name up you little bitch. Better yet at the varsity next time why dont you go get in your car and leave since Jerel is there, i swear you talk alot of **** online but never show your face in person!!

Once again you drag me into something i have nothing to do with or said anything,
Im sorry Mike i dont like you or your shop,im sorry you guys are'nt the best in Atlanta!

You dont ahve real world expirence in **** like you claim,what u have tried to build 5 cars in last 2 years and actually one made it out for one race on the street then you ripped it apart. You have never accomplised nothing in your life and you are nothing!!
Real world expirence my *** you live off other peoples hard works and builds. Im sorry i dont have to ***** anyones car around to be succesful i do it on my own dime,so next time dont drag me into **** when your knowlege is being questioned,bnecasue i already know your a dumbass...


P&gt;S DONT FORGET MY MONEY APRIL 29, i got something for your ***!!

P.s.s You dont own mainstream like you claimed on another site!!

 

I'm not claiming I have this big beef or I Hate VTECKidd. I'm saying you're wrong. Sometimes people will be wrong.

I don't see how me telling you, you're wrong is having a big beef or hatred. I got nothing against you.

Oh and yeah i did spin a bearing. I didn't build that motor-you know who I worked for built that motor. I built the next motor that's still in the car do this day-BOOSTED!! As I told you many times before but you always seem to leave that part out.

Hey and also-better me ******* up my own **** and learning from it than always claiming to know and be all and still haven't really learned ****!! I learned so much from my previous employer in good and in bad. But at least I can say that and at least I've learned.

You're right-there are plenty of ASE certified techs that don't know ****-I work w/ them all day everyday. But as people say who hate tests and don't know there are still some very good knowledge based questions on the ASE that will tell you what you do and don't know.

 

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I actually dont disagree with this statement, I believe the lighter ls1 would be a better candidate for the FD for a more balanced car thats not just limited to straightline acceleration.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was joking. I listed all the reasons why the 2jz is bad.

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For a heads/cam package which includes: FAST 90/90 (ported), UD pulley, TFS heads, custom cam, injectors, tuning and install. This heads/cam setup has proved itself 3 times over to make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated on the stock 346.

I'm not here to argue between the LSx vs 2JZ, just stating on the price of an above-average heads/cam package.

Carry on. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Someone just pulled that off LS1tech. Funny you said custom cam with no specs. I am around the 450whp area and have none of your parts you listed and WAY below your "budget". I have a lot of room to improve.

Carry on

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18c1turboedEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HAHA you are a dumb *** keep bringing my name up you little bitch. Better yet at the varsity next time why dont you go get in your car and leave since Jerel is there, i swear you talk alot of **** online but never show your face in person!!

Once again you drag me into something i have nothing to do with or said anything,
Im sorry Mike i dont like you or your shop,im sorry you guys are'nt the best in Atlanta!

You dont ahve real world expirence in **** like you claim,what u have tried to build 5 cars in last 2 years and actually one made it out for one race on the street then you ripped it apart. You have never accomplised nothing in your life and you are nothing!!
Real world expirence my *** you live off other peoples hard works and builds. Im sorry i dont have to ***** anyones car around to be succesful i do it on my own dime,so next time dont drag me into **** when your knowlege is being questioned,bnecasue i already know your a dumbass...


P&gt;S DONT FORGET MY MONEY APRIL 29, i got something for your ***!!

P.s.s You dont own mainstream like you claimed on another site!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Danny, your known for 700whp an running 13s. im known for my NA cars. see you at teh track, have my money

Jerel, if you DISAGREE WITH ME, thats fine, but when you come on here an say "OMG YOU GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ***" thats not disagreeing, thats being a girl.

carry on

 

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Danny, your known for 700whp an running 13s. im known for my NA cars. see you at teh track, have my money

Jerel, if you DISAGREE WITH ME, thats fine, but when you come on here an say "OMG YOU GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ***" thats not disagreeing, thats being a girl.

carry on</TD></TR></TABLE>

And your know for working behind a computer screen and talking all this **** that you want to accomplish and never do.
But look at it like this MIke im STILL FASTER THEN YOU!! no matter how much HP i have, So until you run faster then me you dont have rooom too say ****!!

Oh and please Bring all 100s i dont like carrying 500 in 20s home with me!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18c1turboedEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And your know for working behind a computer screen and talking all this **** that you want to accomplish and never do.
But look at it like this MIke im STILL FASTER THEN YOU!! no matter how much HP i have, So until you run faster then me you dont have rooom too say ****!!

Oh and please Bring all 100s i dont like carrying 500 in 20s home with me!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh shut the expletive up danny.

 

i think people in this thread have gotten carried away on the things he could be doing with HIS setup HOWEVER its HIS setup, do as you wish.

there are many ways to build a project and last time i checked its by sheer personal prefrence. and its his personal prefrence so why all the hostility?

 

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I was joking. I listed all the reasons why the 2jz is bad.

Someone just pulled that off LS1tech. Funny you said custom cam with no specs. I am around the 450whp area and have none of your parts you listed and WAY below your "budget". I have a lot of room to improve.

Carry on


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Anyone can make around 450rwhp with an aggressive cam and bolt-ons. That's not news.

If you think I like to go search on the internet to try to prove a point, you've got the wrong guy. I didn't feel like going into detail of the cam specs on a Honda website that would mean absolutely nothing to the vast majority. Vengeance doesn't advertise the cam specs as they put a lot of R&D into it. Call Vengeance Racing and ask them their specs on the Vindicator cam. Similar to the G5X3 and LS4 cams.

Last I checked, their heads/cam package held the record for highest whp with a stock 346 w/ heads/cam.

We have different budgets. Given that I don't do the labor or tuning myself, it costs as much as they charge, and I'm more than happy to pay it.

I've got tons of room to improve on also. Money is not a limiting factor. I'm going the heads/cam route because that's what I want from a street car. If I decide later on I want 1,000rwhp, I'll buy a KB 2.8L supercharger and a built 427 and go from there. In the meantime, I'll have fun with my overpriced heads/cam package.

 

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oh shut the expletive up danny.

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You went to school without taking management classes? You understand you are a rep. for your shop and this kind of behavior is bad for it?

oh well. Carry on

 

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Anyone can make around 450rwhp with an aggressive cam and bolt-ons. That's not news.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is news, I do not have any close to a aggressive cam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 19sec beast &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Last I checked, their heads/cam package held the record for highest whp with a stock 346 w/ heads/cam. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Stop looking at peak numbers BTW, Not everyone posts info.

I am not new to LSx. It looks like you are. I will give you a tip. Do not believe everything you read.

 

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oh well. Carry on</TD></TR></TABLE>

danny knows how i feel about him

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It is news, I do not have any close to a aggressive cam.

Stop looking at peak numbers BTW, Not everyone posts info.

I am not new to LSx. It looks like you are. I will give you a tip. Do not believe everything you read.

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400ft lbs @ 3,700RPMs is peak power?

Not everyone posts their numbers? Hooray. I'm happy for them. That shop will have the highest horsepower, stock motor LS6 and never get any business because no one knows about it.

I don't quite understand your fascination with being arguementative, but ok.

Oh, how I miss Honda-Tech.



Modified by 19sec beast at 10:13 AM 3/13/2007

 

And dumbass knows how i feel about him!!
He thinks he has accomplished so much in this import industry,but in fact he hasnt done anything for it!!
He feels he needs to put me down because,certain people run faster then me, but in fact MIKE has never raced a event at all. He keeps saying his a premier shop in atlanta, when in fact he works for a shop only. He says a 240 2jz supras is gods gifts to man, but in fact buying a real supra is,not buying a shell for 1000 and throwing in a 8000 swap. Go buy a real supra then come talk to me,not some wanna be supra car!!


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I remember now why I stopped coming on Honda Tech. First off, what I see is a shop showing something they are doing for a customer. Any discussion of the merits of the build are really a moot point because this is what the CUSTOMER ASKED FOR!!! If someone comes to me at my car dealership and wants to buy a particular car, I can try to advise them a different way but in the end the person who is paying the money is the person who is deciding what they want. I am all in for seeing what this car will do and is capable of. I have tons of confidence in the MSPi team and Turbo Dave, there is no doubt whatsoever that this car will be quite impressive once all is said and done. Carry on with the taunts/insults/bullshit that all of a sudden seem so prevalent in this thread. I for one am glad to associate with a shop who wants to do things a little differently and is venturing into uncharted territory. Good luck to all involved.

 

got to love the drama of Honda-Tech.....

Everyone always seems to be a ethug.... talks all the **** on the internet and wont say anything in person

 

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400ft lbs @ 3,700RPMs is peak power?

Not everyone posts their numbers? Hooray. I'm happy for them. That shop will have the highest horsepower, stock motor LS6 and never get any business because no one knows about it.

I don't quite understand your fascination with being arguementative, but ok.

Oh, how I miss Honda-Tech.
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You post one dyno and think it is the "end" to all? Come on now. A chassis dyno is just a tuning tool (and a dynojet on top of that)

BTW, comparing a stock motor to a modded motor is silly for what we are saying. Keep reading