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Old 01-11-2015 | 10:29 PM
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NOTAracist, Its ok, you are a very narrow-minded individual that can only classify other's legitimate observations as mental disorders.
Nissan's are reliable in my experiences (my daily is a 06 g35 coupe, I've had 2 240sx's, a 280z, and a g20). Out of the major japan companies, I've noticed newer EJ's in Subarus to have the most major issues - mostly bearing failure related. I cant even count the number of very low mileage Ej20's and ej25's that I know of that have **** their bearings.
And although im not a ford guy (I have a cummins, wife has a silverado), I'll admit that ford gets a much worse reputation then they deserve, especially the newer stuff. The 6.0 powerstroke and the older fwd transmissions contributed a great deal to the infamy. The newer Di ecoboost lineup is very well engineered as is the scorpion and the coyote. The Coyote's variable cam timing and cta system makes vtec look like a 3year old with a crayon designed it
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seriously guys... cut the ****.

this thread was meant to be a place for us to bullshit, talk to each other, and ask questions that don't necessarily warrant a new thread.

if you don't start behaving, and by you I mean Boost4Breakfast (yes you started this little pissing contest) I won't hesitate to give you a 3 day vacation...

also NotARacist, just ignore him. I'd hate to have to give you an infraction or worse but I will for the good of this forum.

now, back to off topic randomness.

and for the record, I love my s13, although it's not one of these drift tax'd beat to **** cars... I own the s13 that started the shaved bay/wire tuck movement back in 06, today it would easily be worth 12-13k, that's how clean it is. While some things are expensive, others arent. before 2010 everything in the 240 world was cheap. I was GIVEN 5 sr20det swaps for free just to get them out of the way. Hell I only paid 450 for my built piston/rod vg30dett and it had 3.000 dollars in turbos on it. I can get all of the free clean shells I want.

Don't know how it is in other states but here in Atlanta the scene is still reasonable. maybe it's different for me and a few of my friends because we basically started the 240 movement in georgia, hell I'm co-founder of the local 240 website and I have people literally giving me motors, turbos, shells, parts, free fabrication, etc. it probably also helps because my family has been racing in GA since the 70s so a lot of shops know us. I can't remember the last time I paid retail for anything haha. Of course I try and pass this network of parts and discounts on to others whenever I can. I'm stingy or selfish about my hook ups
Old 01-12-2015 | 10:37 AM
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lol.... Very entertaining to say the least....
Anyways, I prefer the rb20 to the sr20 any day. Can handle more and is much cheaper as its the redheaded stepchild in the RB world. Got done a few months ago with an s14 240 for my buddy that I had to sort out the mess the previous owner made trying to put in the rb20. sorted it out, rewired it, and tuned it. ls1 coils, hy35, 660's, e85, tomei cams, nistune. Currently on 22psi (90% idc's). Putting an rb20 in a client's D21 hardbody in a few weeks also.
I kinda miss my 280z. I was planning a vq25det for that, but had too many projects and had to thin the herd a little
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a few pics of the s14 just after base tuning


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what engine did the RB20 originally come stock in? R30?

My buddy has a RB25 S14 in Jacksonville, wanted to drive it but everytime I do he crashes it lol ,he's on shell number 3 or 4 now haha
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I like the gallo 24 myself
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Originally Posted by $amGD3
what engine did the RB20 originally come stock in? R30?

My buddy has a RB25 S14 in Jacksonville, wanted to drive it but everytime I do he crashes it lol ,he's on shell number 3 or 4 now haha
Rb20det came in r31 gts, r32 gts, gtst, a31 cefiero's (what this engine came out of).
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A lot of people trash talk the rb20 but it's not a bad motor. Even though it's still a 2 liter motor (why everyone dogs it) the extra two cylinders means it proves produces more torque than a 2 liter 4 cylinder plus the iron block means it's basically bulletproof. Also can't forget the sound. Rb26 cams are a direct drop in and make more power everywhere over the stock cams and their lobe separation angle means the rb20 has ridiculous lope.

I've also wanted to build a sohc ka24e. No one realizes that was the Nismo homoligation motor for that chassis in US race series and as such there's a plethora of parts, including badass Nismo engine parts. While they might not make as much power as their modern cousins they are literally bulletproof and make gobsof torque . A buddy wanted to kill his sohc so he hooked up a.nitrous system with NO JETS, pull after pull on the highway it never broke lol. Also they are plentiful and cheap since everyone wants toget rid of them . Hell I bought a complete dohc ka24de for 75 bucks, the sohc motors are even cheaper and usually free. Plus the Nismo cylinder head parts like the r4 and r5 cams make it sound absolutely nasty.

My s13 was the first car to ever have a vg30dett swap done. Converted to single turbo, aem ems, arp head studs, etc it made 580@18psi and ran something like an 11.30 in the quarter on radials previous ownertook the vg out before I bought it but I have pics, vg is currentlyin a red s14 in Indiana. I picked up my built vg with the intention of putting it on my chassis but I have so many high end, rare power making parts for my sr that it's probably gonna go in the car and I'll find a clean z31 or z32 shell for the vg. A local friend has the sexiest z31 I've ever seen and it makes me want to build one. I'll post pics of it and my car when I get home.

Might grab a couple more s13 shells to do the sohc and rb builds. Maybe even an s12.

There's a clean widebody starion shell where I store my van. It's been there for yearsuntouched . Storage owner says the guy dropped it off, has never been back, and pays his rent every month. The paint is gone but the body is straight... No dents, patches, or bondo and the interior, while complete, is a little rough. The important thing is it's a complete car, norust that I can see (rare), it has the motor and drivetrain unit in it, based off the amount of grade build-up on the motor it's hard to say if it runs although I'd do a 1jz swap.

It's missing one front and one rear oem wheel and its been there so long the tires are4" in the ground and there's only missmoss growing underneath it. I figured if I can get the guy to sell it that in its condition I couldsnag it for under 500, gut it, sell whatever is in good shape that I don't need to other starion guys and notonly recoupthe purchase price but make money. Then have my buddy down the street cage it andturn itinto a multi purpose street/mountain run/road course / weekend drift toy.

I'm also supposed to pick up a buddies miata soon dirt cheap. I figure I'll clean it up andjust drive it, maybe do a few things here and there with my giant extra parts collection and either keep it or try and trade up to something cool or sell it andput the profit into my other numerousprojects .

God I love the car world lol. Where else would any of this stuff be possible?
Old 01-12-2015 | 06:59 PM
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Another reason the rb20det is so stout: rb20 left, rb26 right. and the rb20 is a much shorter stroke


I'd toss that built vg you got into a z33 shell if ya can pick one up cheap.

Does that starion have the g54b in it? I've been wanting a starion/conquest for a long time. I'd 4g63 swap it tho if it has g54 in it. I have a few of those around as well as one in my sand rail with a 16g.
Old 01-13-2015 | 11:35 AM
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No such thing as a cheap z33 shell lol. A friend has a built rb26 in his z33. It's so much fun

Also with the z33 being obd2 and me running the vg with a standalone (and the fact that vg originally came out of an obd1 z32) I'd never pass emissions.

Remember the vg30dett came out of the z32 300zx. The vq35 came out of the z33 350z. Totally different platforms.

I'll post pics of my car here in a bit as well as the old vg setup and the car it's in now. Plus the local z31 that makes me want to build one so bad.


Also I finally got all but 3 or 4 of my turbos on the same shelf.. It's retarded lol.
Old 01-13-2015 | 02:04 PM
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Oh yea, you have emissions. No bueno. We dont here in eastern utah and western colorado. Can throw any motor in anything and have fun. I'm actually putting a 6bolt 4g63 mated to a 4l60e into my 04 b6 S4. I have the vq35 in my g35 coupe. I've also tuned a couple z32 vg's on nistune. Awesome platform other than its a pain in the *** to swap injectors lol
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I'm trying to snag this perfect body widebody starion that's basically been abandonedat my storage unit. Gut it, cage it, 1jz swap, baller race car parts, profit
Old 01-13-2015 | 02:15 PM
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or stuff your vg in that. havent seen that swap yet
Old 01-14-2015 | 02:22 PM
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It's too bad the CSS guy on the forums is such a ********.
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The problem with putting the vg in that chassis is the width of the motor. Given that it's still dimensionally smaller than the stock 4G54 in terms of length and height I would have more wiggle room as far asengine placement. I could easily move the motor back to improve CG and weight distribution butwould be limited bywhere the shifter would sit in the tunnel in relation to the stock one and by steering shaft/rack clearance.

The other issue is turbo placement. The oem platform is setup for passengers sideturbo placement, like the jz motors, those who have tried Nissan RB swaps and similar motors with drivers side turbo placement haven't been able to clear the steering shaft and rack. I can't establish if it's a manifold/turbo placement or size issue or if it's a problem with the downpipe but everyone that tries abandons it and moves to a motor with passengers side turbo placement.

I already have like a 3500 dollar set of twins for the vg, JWT Sport 600s, basically journal bearing gt2860s so I would feel a little bad having to sourceand design a single turbo setup. However both need to be rebuilt so I was going to shove billet compressor wheels in them and change the compressor cover and backplate from a modified .60a/r t3 housing to the larger Garrett Nissan style T04B cover and backplate in addition to porting and gasket matching the housings and putting a bigger wastegate flapper on and enlarging the wastegate ports just to get a little more efficiency, rock solid boost control, and a bit more mass flow out of the turbos.

My overall investment in the turbos is basically nil so I could sell them for a healthy profit and convert themotor to a single turbo. I also have another set of vg twins that are a clipped stock turbine wheel (appears to be a 15-20 degree clip) with a 60 trim t3/2860/t28 compressor wheel ina machined sstock compressor housing. I got them dirt cheap, like beer money cheap because the guy thought they were seized when it turns out that they sat so long that a small amount of surface rust developed on the shaft. I originallybought them for a twin turbo Mercedes v6 project I was working on until I totaled the car. I am going to rebuild them with billet compressor wheels (i know a place with quality wheels dirt cheap) either an 11+0 gtx style which is best suited for body levels under 18psi or a 6+6 arrangementfor aggressive high boost performance. not to mention with billet wheels being the rage I can sell them for more lol. Then portboth housings and sell them for pure profit to put towards projects.


The single turbo converted vg that was in my s13 spooled a T4 PT61 like the stock twins. From what I understand the vg lives to spool huge single turbos like no one's business, I guess 3 liters of displacement helps lol.

I guess I could convert to single. Only thing I want to change is the static compression ratio. Like turbo motors of old and the old way of thinking, the JE pistons in the motor are somewhere around 8.8:1-9-1 static. I'd like to bring that up to something around 10.5:1-11.5-1, possibly even 12:1 since I now he351ve local e85 and the standalone I'd use supports full flex fuel. I'd also be injecting large quantities of methanol in a 70/30 methanol to water ratio. I will definitely need custom pistons with serious wrist pins so I would probably talk to Muckmans guy at Wiseco. Not sure what power I'd be after, definitely at least 500 and however high I can go without sacrificing response and midrange torque, not sure if the Eagle rods are up for that abuse. Obviously I'd have tons of head work done and run some nasty cams.

The bigger issue is the intake manifold. Stock setup is a dual plenum, dual throttle body intake manifold with a crossover tube to even pressure out. Also each turbo feeds the opposite bank. People have had issues with single turbos as far as even airflow distribution to each bank when using the stock intakemanifold regardless of what is tried so I would have to design a very efficientsingle plenum manifold with adequate runner length, size, and adequate plenum volume. Maybe even ITBs for amazing throttle response.

Of course this is all moot if the motor doesn't fit lol.

The starion is popular for v8 swaps and it handles the extra torque perfectly but a ton of people are doing them to the point of it being played out, especially the LSx motors. I'd have to do something wild. Likea coyote v8, viper v10 ( like that would fit lol), one of the new mustang flat plane crank V8s, or my personal favorite idea, the 3.8 turbo v6 out of a Grand National. Either one of these options would have either a Tremec T56 or a long/gforce 4spd dogbox behind it.

Occasionally a Dodge NASCAR R5 P7 engine pops up on eBay. Imagine 800-900hp of NA e85/methanol power lol. Same thing for the Chevy NASCAR SB2.2 motors.

There are also Oldsmobile Aurora IRL v8 race motors for sale fairly cheap. Imagine the sound of a flat plane crank 10,000rpm ethanol/methanol fueled v8 street car :O

Of course any of those expensive ideas would be years down the road, for now itwould bbe either swap vg orsnag a 1jz from a friend. The most labour and time intensive aspect is chassis prep. Stripping, gutting, seam welding, caging, wiring, safety systems, fire suppression, fuel system, suspension and brakes.. not to mention the exterior and the aero. I doubt I'd paint it, merely get it down to metal, make it smooth, primerit, then vinyl wrap it . Vinyl wrapping is cheap, fast, weighs less than paint, more durable, and any panel I damage can result be repaired in a couple of hours without matching paint and so on. Other cool part is if I want to change colors it's fast and easy. Also if I do turn it into a dedicated track car then I can easily change liveries, add/remove sponsors and so on.

Of course biggest issue currently is acquiring the car. *fingers crossed* I've wanted a starion for over a decade.
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Holy ******* huge post. I didn't realize I typed that much haha.

I'm currently debating what to do about the CSS guy. It's hard to tell if the bump was on purpose or an accident. That's what I'm trying to determine.
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Check out his bumps in the 92-00 Civic section. It's intentional. He doesn't give a ****, even after another mod warned him. He's trying to get free advertising. Shut his *** down.
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Hey want boost I have a essay paper do want to write it for me ? Haha jk
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I mean I type like 110 words per minute and hammer out epic papers... Will work for turbo parts, b series vtec motor parts, and 96-00 non hatchback parts lol.

I'm currently talking with Muckman about him, sounds like we have a solid plan of action. If he'sbumming postsin other forums to advertise then he's violating the TOS. pm me links to the other bumps and I'll talk to Muckman about it and then direct the moderators of those sections to his posts and bring them in on our discussion of how to handle it, even get an admin involved if needed.

What he's doing isn't fair to those who have paid for the privilege to advertise on here (and yes it's a privilege not a right).
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Yep, I already PM'd you one.
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
Check out his bumps in the 92-00 Civic section. It's intentional. He doesn't give a ****, even after another mod warned him. He's trying to get free advertising. Shut his *** down.

If youre gonna be that way with him should be the same with the shodan and other people who advertise here.

I try and post a little bs 35 dollar part in the right sections and they get shut down

Should be the same for all not friends of the mods
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Shodan at least keeps his advertising in PMs, and he posts good information when he does post. He also doesn't bump 10 year old threads just for the sake of saying "look at my website!" Not disagreeing with you, just saying there's a right way, and a wrong way, and CSS fucktard took the wrong way to a new extreme.
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Yea we've talked to TheShodan. He never directly promotes, doesn't post prices, and keeps any business to PMs. Not to mention he also posts useful information 99% of the time with maybe 1% falling under the business category. All I ever see the CSS guy doing is posting about his service and why you should use it. I mean come on he bumped a thread about not being expensive ductile iron sleeves right in the title. He knew people would see the title and open the thread. Since most people don't look at post dates they would automatically assume it was referring to his service.

The biggest thing is he doesn't go into multiple sub forums and bump old threads in an effort to drum up business. He has enough business already.

Same thing with the CSS guy. He already has enough business that he shouldn't have to resort to "accidentally" bumping old threads in a clever attempt to steer customers his way.
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There was nothing accidental about it.
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
There was nothing accidental about it.
im certainly not on here as much as you guys.
i honestly did not know that this was going on... wow.
i just happened to see the post thats pretty crappy ive only read great reviews about CSS, wow i wonder if thats the owner ? with every one out that has CSS blocks you would think they wouldnt need to do that any ways
my bad.


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