Definately. For most of your on-road, stock setup applications, it is simply faster to nail the apex of the corner and get it right. Puts a smile on my face every time.

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How? Let's see the easiest way for me to put this.......

WRC is huge.

CAR manufacturers put major money into it. Watching Rally Acropolis every year while growing up in Greece I would see about 10 tractor trailers supporing a single car.

Each team needs to win, therefore they need to complete each stage as fast as possible.

In dry pavement, in certain curves, drifting is faster than brake turn and go.

They do not USE DRIFTING FOR SHOW. They use it becasue it is the fastest way around CERTAIN corners.

I really cannot see how can somebody argue about this?????

 

Not just stock setup- How about F1, CART, ALMS, and anyone else who runs on paved road courses 100% of the time. If drifting is faster, then why doesn't Schumacher (or anyone else on pavement) slide trough the turns at Monaco (or any paved course)?

 

Oh, yeah...forgot about that.

But I thought that was given. At least with me it is.

 

And F1 along with everything else is small. F1 teams do not have the money to set up a good drifting car right? So they have to settle for conventional cornering.

 

So certain cars in certain corners use drifting to their advantage. That leaves 97% of all other cars in all other situations which are better suited to using a standard racing line.

That proves the point

 

Good point but you cannot go buy a dragster at the dealer.....

You can go buy a WRX sti or a Lancia Delta integrale.....

Of course the car will not be setup like the WRC car, but it will be close.

In other words you are saying that it depends on the setup of the car?

 

The Bottom Line: (for the street drifters)

If your car is so slow that you cannot even take corners at a speed that is exciting to yourself or any passengers, you should go out of your way to lose traction and "drift" though the turn so that you can make up for the lack of excitement caused by you car's lack of ability to go and turn fast.

 

.... and this why everybody is happy..... unless of course you hit a car coming the opposite direction

 

Yes, and if drifting was faster, you would damn sure see drifting in many other racing series' becuse they would also be setup to drift.


[Modified by Tom351, 10:18 AM 5/29/2002]

 

What the hell does that have to do with drifting?
I can go to a dealer and buy a Dodge Avenger - which can be converted to a Pro Stock dragster. That Avenger sitting at the dealer is as close to a Pro Stock car as the WRX or Lancer sitting at their respective dealers across the street.
No it isn't. If you think that you are almost getting a WRC car when you buy a WRX then you are one of the biggest fools alive. Do you think that you almost get a World Challenge car when you buy a Type R?
Every paved track has a different setup for the cars that run on them. That is minor in comparison to different surface media and different driving styles. You are talking about radical differences to not only setup but chassis design and suspension geometry. If they were close you could take an F1 car, make minor changes and go run the Paris-Dakkar. I don't see that happening.

Do rally cars spend most of their time on pavement or dirt? Drifting is faster in dirt. We all know this. If they spend most of their time in the dirt why in gods name would they set the car up for pavement? They "make do" for the small segments where they are on paved roads.

 

Cobra, you are right.

I see your points.

What I want to know is the reason why drifting in dirt is faster?

 

wtf is this even an issue?

 

Lack of traction to properly grip the ground at speed.

Drift is a by-product of the driving on dirt. They power through the turn and pray it hooks before they hit a tree or a tire wall.

I could be wrong but I don't think that if they didn't have to, they would make the risk of drifting into a tree or crowds.

 

I don't know why drifting in the dirt is faster. I don't do it.


And I stand corrected - evidently F1 cars are set up to drift. Look at what I found:










What were we thinking Tom?

 

I would say that it is faster in dirt because loose dirt has so much less grip than pavement. You rotate the vehicle in a way that your tire spinning attempt at forward acceleration is also adding to your cornering force. If you are going to slide anyway, why not use you engine to try to stay out of the woods? IOW, breaking tires loose is a big loss on pavement, but not a such big loss (grip-wise) on dirt.

Note: the above is just logical (I hope) speculation as I do not race on dirt myself.


[Modified by Tom351, 10:34 AM 5/29/2002]

 

great tactic to put yourself perpendicular to the other driver...

 

I stand corrected Drew, those a hella-fast-cornering-drifts!

 

That is Ukyo Katayama's specialty.

 

all the Andreas Marios and henrichs could learn from this..

 

yup.

just to add, people rally bone stock WRX's all the time and dominate. It's suspension (and travel) is setup for rally (if you couldn't already tell). No way in hell it could compete with the WRC car (finely tuned suspension, anti-lag, sequential tranny, unlimited budget, etc), but it's fully capable in stock form. Not many cars can say the same thing about their "arena" if you will. The rally cars (EVO and WRX) stay pretty true in their street forms.

Other cars like the 206 (Above) are POS fwd cars in production

-C Who would love to own in a road rally prepped awd 206.

 

street drifters... i've never seen any real drifter drift on the street while they're cars passing...