<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ferio 95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drifting is the fastest way out threw a turn since no speed is loss compared to grip where you have to slow down entering and floor it leaving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can only hope that you are kidding and are not really that hopelessly ignorant. Being that we're dealing with a guy who thought it would be a good idea to swap in a smaller motor for more performance, I have my doubts...


Modified by Weston at 12:04 PM 4/24/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is there some truth to drifting being fast around a corner? ofcourse im not talking about the extreme angle drifts that most people think of now, but for lack of a better word, a 'fast' drift?

i understand that for yous, from a roadracers point of view...grip&gt;drift is everything, even if it is lsightly faster the increase in tire wear and chance of messing up is too great to use as a technique in a roadrace, especially long ones. but for racing on a mountain, where it became popular. is drifting really faster? since a mountain has a down/uphill slope, and traction is usually similiar to tarmac rally(leaves, gravel, etc.) and the roads r very narrow and dont allow many options for a proper line. in that situation would drifitng be the fastest way?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i've been on the track with drifters...most can pull on me in the straights, but they always hold me up in corners...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i understand that for yous, from a roadracers point of view...grip&gt;drift is everything, even if it is lsightly faster the increase in tire wear and chance of messing up is too great to use as a technique in a roadrace, especially long ones. but for racing on a mountain, where it became popular. is drifting really faster? since a mountain has a down/uphill slope, and traction is usually similiar to tarmac rally(leaves, gravel, etc.) and the roads r very narrow and dont allow many options for a proper line. in that situation would drifitng be the fastest way?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not about tire wear or worrying about messing up. It is simply the fact that we're faster if we actually use the traction available from our tires, rather than just throwing it away. Yes, some slip-angle can be good, but there is a point of diminishing returns, and anything that's considered a "drift" is far beyond that. I see a lot of people using drifting as an easier alternative to learning how to drive properly, and because it looks cool. They think that the high entrance speeds mean they are actually getting through the turn faster, but of course that's far from the truth. What they really need is someone in a less powerful car to drive properly and completely smoke them... maybe then they will open their eyes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 86AccordLxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

And thus the reason I hate owning a 240sx..... (even though I love the car)

Alex</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, my friend bought one right before the drift idiots multiplied out here. Now he's constantly having ricers telling him to swap in an SR20DET (he has a turbo KA24) and talking about the glory of drifting and such. It's about as bad to be a 240sx owner now as it was to be a Honda/Acura owner back when the first Fast & Furious movie came out. I remember idiots telling me to swap a B16 into my Integra back then.

 

This looks pretty quick through this corner:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2...chiya

It would have been cool if they ran through it in grip for comparison and then ran the clips side-by-side time sync'd to see the difference.

Maybe a good question is "does knowing how to drive/control drift make one a better grip driver?"

 

Hooray for the traction circle.

Driving within the available traction for your tires is always the fastest way to be. Of course on track you're generally poking around the edge of the circle with a sharp stick. My personal style usually has me "drifting" through the apex of quicker corners in a RWD esp MR car. "drifting" being maybe an inch or three, so little that I don't even countersteer, no smoking tires, no drama. I find it the fastest way for me, if you watch any professional race drivers they will slide the car a little through corners. Key word here is LITTLE. Of course you have to worry about tires etc. But for some like myself it's the fastest way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JamesS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This looks pretty quick through this corner:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2...chiya

It would have been cool if they ran through it in grip for comparison and then ran the clips side-by-side time sync'd to see the difference.

Maybe a good question is "does knowing how to drive/control drift make one a better grip driver?"</TD></TR></TABLE>

It will go throught that corner gripping faster.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Drifting started out as a racing technique popular in the All Japan Touring Car Championship races over 30 years ago. A motorcycling legend turned driver named Kunimitsu Takahashi was the foremost practitioner of drifting techniques in the 1970's. Takahashi's aggressive drifting skills — he was famous for hitting the apex (the point where the car is closest to the inside of a turn) at high speed and then drifting through the corner, preserving a high rate of speed — earned him several championships and a legion of fans who enjoyed the spectacle of burning tires and perilous speed.

tooken from http://www.wikipedia.org

is there some truth to drifting being fast around a corner? ofcourse im not talking about the extreme angle drifts that most people think of now, but for lack of a better word, a 'fast' drift?

i understand that for yous, from a roadracers point of view...grip&gt;drift is everything, even if it is lsightly faster the increase in tire wear and chance of messing up is too great to use as a technique in a roadrace, especially long ones. but for racing on a mountain, where it became popular. is drifting really faster? since a mountain has a down/uphill slope, and traction is usually similiar to tarmac rally(leaves, gravel, etc.) and the roads r very narrow and dont allow many options for a proper line. in that situation would drifitng be the fastest way?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That explains what those Japanese F1 drivers are doing. I thought they just sucked at driving, but they're really just great drifters.

Stupid Shumi doesn't know how to drift, so he is teh suck at driving tofu down a mountain

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JamesS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This looks pretty quick through this corner:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2...chiya

It would have been cool if they ran through it in grip for comparison and then ran the clips side-by-side time sync'd to see the difference.

Maybe a good question is "does knowing how to drive/control drift make one a better grip driver?"

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Well, the driver of the AE86, Tsuchiya, would most definitely be the best person to ask. He was a well known drifter before he won his share of championships as a professional race car driver in Japan.

 

drift vs grip depends on the turn
both have their advantages.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hond@ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drift vs grip depends on the turn
both have their advantages.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the insight ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JamesS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This looks pretty quick through this corner:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2...chiya

It would have been cool if they ran through it in grip for comparison and then ran the clips side-by-side time sync'd to see the difference.
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in the "drift bible" dvd tsuchiya did a side by side comparison of a lap of the same track in the same car, both with him driving...one being a "show" drift run and the toher being a "fast" drift, the show drift was done using several diferent techniques to iniate early before the turn and to maintain a high degree of angle through it, while his "fast" drifts were all weight transfer drifts starting at the extrance or apex of the turn and carrying minimal angle, i dont remember how much faster the "fast" drift was but i think it was around 3 seconds or so

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That explains what those Japanese F1 drivers are doing. I thought they just sucked at driving, but they're really just great drifters. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahahhahahah

 

hmmmmmm........... I knew those F1 drivers were stupid if they took off all those wings on there cars they could get more sideways and really drop there lap times. The FIA must make them have those so they can't spin there tires and go to fast wouldn't want anyone getting hurt.

 

since im probably the only person who will post in this thread who does drift, and "grip" here is my take on it.

no, drifting will never be faster than grip driving. the only point is because its fun, and its another form of car control that 99% of people who race/HPDE will never learn.

short sweet and to the point.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igyloo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've been on the track with drifters...most can pull on me in the straights, but they always hold me up in corners...</TD></TR></TABLE> if they are drifting they should be slowing you down, if they arent they are slow drivers.

the best drifters in the world have a long, storied history with racing. a big portion of the pro d1 drivers run the JGTC too.

 

Oh so I get it now...

Albers screwed up Ide's faster drift line this weekend....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotocrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Last lap... last turn... Last race of the year. Second place is just feet off my bumper. He's looking inside. This will decide the championship. What do I do? Do I stay low? High? brake later? Let him go inside and repass him?

Then I realize. "Wait a minute! All i need is a good drift!"

TBC

&lt;please continue my story. You all know the game. everyone gets, let's say, one short paragraph&gt;</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to point out the obvious but you drive a low powered CRX. Unless your completely sideways your not taking up much extra room + the shorter wheelbase makes controling this much more difficult and you dont exactly have lots of extra power so unless it's minor you've lost alot of forward momentum

On the other hand CRX's do get squirly and when they do there tough to pass in many situations without contact, some people don't care and we have contact vidoes galore.

However I'm not sure what kind of eight lane highways you race on but alot of tracks don't do well with more than 2 abreast so the extra space left may not be enough to make a pass.

Or maybe there is room for a pass but the other driver is forced off into either marbles or offcourse, maybe the road flattens out mid corner like the first corner @ big willow.

And lets face it who ever your infront of trying to keep behind you is there for a reason, so he's not likely able to simply drive inside of you. and given your racing other cars similar I asume he will have the same problem with momentum so he'd have to get a run on you into the corner which will likely be upset when your car begins to step out

Then again maybe not, maybe the other car came from the back of the pack and was anticipating you blocking him and picked a spot on course to set you up.

That was why I prentensed it with "can"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by : alexander : &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to point out the obvious but you drive a low powered CRX. Unless your completely sideways your not taking up much extra room + the shorter wheelbase makes controling this much more difficult and you dont exactly have lots of extra power so unless it's minor you've lost alot of forward momentum

On the other hand CRX's do get squirly and when they do there tough to pass in many situations without contact, some people don't care and we have contact vidoes galore.

However I'm not sure what kind of eight lane highways you race on but alot of tracks don't do well with more than 2 abreast so the extra space left may not be enough to make a pass.

Or maybe there is room for a pass but the other driver is forced off into either marbles or offcourse, maybe the road flattens out mid corner like the first corner @ big willow.

And lets face it who ever your infront of trying to keep behind you is there for a reason, so he's not likely able to simply drive inside of you. and given your racing other cars similar I asume he will have the same problem with momentum so he'd have to get a run on you into the corner which will likely be upset when your car begins to step out

Then again maybe not, maybe the other car came from the back of the pack and was anticipating you blocking him and picked a spot on course to set you up.

That was why I prentensed it with "can" </TD></TR></TABLE>

&lt;crickets...&gt;

 

[sigh]

In Before Thread Lock!

I called it!!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by : alexander : &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

On the other hand CRX's do get squirly and when they do there tough to pass in many situations without contact</TD></TR></TABLE>

Only if you're a hack, which sounds like you are if you're suggesting that drifting will keep a close following car behind you.

Maybe you should spend some quality time in a spec miata instead of that honda cup thing that you're renting.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ferio 95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drifting is the fastest way out threw a turn since no speed is loss compared to grip where you have to slow down entering and floor it leaving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow, so Schumacher has it all wrong...

 

Ok I've sat back and enjoyed a few laughs reading this thread, but can't help it anymore. I can't believe there is still any kind of a debate still going for 3 pages on this topic.

I don't know where to begin, so I'll just stick to this.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by : alexander : &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
On the other hand CRX's do get squirly and when they do there tough to pass in many situations without contact</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually in a close race between evenly matched cars, it is in exactly these situations when it's easiest to set up for a pass! As the car following, there is nothing more you want to see from the car in front of you than it getting a little sideways in a turn so that you can get a run on it and make the pass in the next braking zone. A car getting a little loose in a turn is called the driver making a small mistake. It is not a tactic used to prevent getting passed. lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ferio 95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drifting is the fastest way out threw a turn since no speed is loss compared to grip where you have to slow down entering and floor it leaving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you = stupid

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't believe there is still any kind of a debate still going for 3 pages on this topic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seriously, I didn't even think drift vs. grip was something worth pondering.

 

Just think how many kids will prove us wrong on the street after that awful drift movie comes out...