I don't recall which DVD it was but several of the top Japanese D1 drivers took their cars to Suzuka to see how they could do against the times being set in the Time Attack competition. The drivers set up their cars for grip driving, not drifting.
Additionaly the D1 driver Orido also drives in the JGTC series. Do you think he drifts in the JGTC as well? Nope.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 wilcox &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's a question for you guys that relates to this topic.

I know Top Gear isn't really racing. But when the "Stig" or whatever that guy's name is races around the track, many times he oversteers through corners almost like he's drifting.

Also, the other hosts of that show tend to get sideways A LOT when they race those exotic cars around the track.

Are they doing this purely for the TV show? Why would the "Stig" do this when he's racing for time so they can compare different cars? I mean, wouldn't he want to take the car around the track the fastest way possible, which would mean not drifting?

Anyways, just something I thought about the other day.
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It's all just to excite the audience. It's disappointing that they compare their lap times with various cars and try to say which is better/faster, when I have yet to see any of them drive properly. Anyone remember when they tried to drive an NSX at Laguna Seca? This is the same show that had one of the hosts in an Evo 8 "racing" a professional driver in a Ferrari or Lambo... the tool drifted and man-handled the Evo 8 around the course and passed the "professional driver" that was quite obviously taking it easy in the exotic. It was the equivilent of some noob ricer passing a race car on a cool down lap and calling it a glorious victory. Unfortunately, people see that and have this silly idea that anything on TV has a lot of credibility or something, so then they go off rambling about how fast drifting is and what an exotic-killer the Evo 8 is.

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well i think they do a bit of both when they try to get fastest lap and show off the car.

I also recall seeing a lot of those time attacks on Top Gear being done on a very very wet track. They don't really give every car a fair chance I think.

What's even funnier is that a good majority of the drivers who participate in the events in the U.S. don't even properly initiate the drift. The events I have witnessed 90% of the technique used by the drivers is nothing but power oversteer mid-turn. I find it sad that very few of the spectator even realize that this is done to cover up the fact that the drivers rarely, if ever, intiate the drift by weight transfer, which is the proper technique. They are so brainwashed by the show and tiresmoke they probably could care less.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by : alexander : &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats faster for every driver is faster for every driver. There is so much more to actual racing than cornering speeds. For instance a sideways car effectively blocks most pases and can put alot of pressure on the guy in front of you as well, so in that sense it can be a tool.

However the best advice I can think of is, if you want to win you have to be faster than everyone else (duh) but in most cases that means being consistently faster. Even the worlds best drifters make lots of mistakes, the kind of mistakes that lose positions during a race or worse end up as a crash.

And even if the best drifters can make mistakes you have to set priority, push the car beyond it's level of grip and risk disaster, or find a smooth line through and work on your consistency and pace.

And WRC cars are a whole other beast, they are built on millions and millions and millions and years and years and years of R&D and technology. They can be incredibly consistent as they have 3 pilots. The driver the co driver and the ECU and associated hardware. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hi stormy.

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im not questioning your statement..but alot of the drifters in my area (oregon, pacific northwest) DO initiate before the turn, usually and most often by e-brake at speed well into 3rd gear...i personally arent a HUGE fan of SHOW drifting so i havent seen many videos, but from i have seen locally, they DO INITIATE EARLY and are actually somewhat, if not, really decent...i cant really judge because im more of a grip/fast racing fan rather than drifting, but i can appreciate the driver skill/controll required in a high speed/angle drift...and i do want to ackknowledge them for that

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So do I:











hush.........i know it's horrible...

drifting is the fastest way out threw a turn since no speed is loss compared to grip where you have to slow down entering and floor it leaving.

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Are you on crack?

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Care to explain this then?

http://video.google.com/videop...=true

There is a <FONT COLOR="red"> show drift </FONT> and there is a <FONT COLOR="blue"> race drift</FONT> D1 is show (as in show off) drift.

Also, dont get thrown off grip driving is a drift also its gets real technical here, alot of the road race drivers here do not like show drifting it's fun to do and watch, its there opinion though (obviously ).

To the person that says you can block the driver behind you by drifting on the road course isnt very bright when the road is 30 yards wide.
This move was ment for tight roads where two cars barley have room to pass each other. In other words touge like roads.

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Worst post yet.

Edit: I just read what kind of car you have in your sig. Makes sense now. Dorifto is teh L33T!

THen how come takumi on initial d is so fast

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Edit: I just read what kind of car you have in your sig. Makes sense now. Dorifto is teh L33T! </TD></TR></TABLE>

And thus the reason I hate owning a 240sx..... (even though I love the car)

Alex

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHAH.........................OK I'm done..........Funniest post ever almost signature worthy......HAHAHA

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no speed loss?

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Yeah, didn't you know that you don't have to slow down for turns as long as you drift? I bet I can take turn 12 at Nelson Ledges at 105mph as long as I am drifting y0!

He's faster while drifting because his arm is in the air

Here's my take on things. Purely sceptical and i'm not really going to spend time thinking about it for a long time:

slow in, fast out. That's the rule to going fast. But all rules have exceptions:

If your car DOES have power, you can enter the corner a little slower, spend less time on the brakes and more on the gas. You can power your way through the corner. Your exit speed will be much faster this way. It's basically late apexing. This is the fastest way to go through the course. Period.

But, what if your car doesn't have enough power to be fast out? So they enter the corner with as much speed as they can so they don't scrub off so much speed. If they scrub off alot of speed, they won't be able to pull themselves out of the corner due to lack of power. This requires a different line. They can't really late apex because they have no power, so i'm assuming they just "regular" apex. In this case, if you go slow in, you're slow out. I'm sure some H4 and H5 cars can relate to this.

As far as rally cars, it's the same as not having enough power. But, instead of not having enough engine power, you don't have enough grip to put the power on the ground. So you can't go in slow and accelerate through the corner since there's no grip. So they drift through the corner so by the time they are done with the corner they are pointed the way they want to go and off they go.

Of course it's all dependent on the part of the course, and whether you are passing or blocking, but i'm just talking about purely time trials and setting the lowest time.

there is one way to explain this and if u play gt4 and u really know what ur doing in gt4 there is 1 race that explains it ! its in the missions and its with the http://www.playstationnotebook...y.jpg in that course ur going to have to drift and grip to win i have won that race and its impossible to grip the whole 3 laps and win, ull loose ! u need to slide the car ! if someone has beat that race they should know !

go build ur mr civic !

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Those are pictures I took last year, things changed back on topic.

Drifting started out as a racing technique popular in the All Japan Touring Car Championship races over 30 years ago. A motorcycling legend turned driver named Kunimitsu Takahashi was the foremost practitioner of drifting techniques in the 1970's. Takahashi's aggressive drifting skills — he was famous for hitting the apex (the point where the car is closest to the inside of a turn) at high speed and then drifting through the corner, preserving a high rate of speed — earned him several championships and a legion of fans who enjoyed the spectacle of burning tires and perilous speed.

tooken from http://www.wikipedia.org

is there some truth to drifting being fast around a corner? ofcourse im not talking about the extreme angle drifts that most people think of now, but for lack of a better word, a 'fast' drift?

i understand that for yous, from a roadracers point of view...grip&gt;drift is everything, even if it is lsightly faster the increase in tire wear and chance of messing up is too great to use as a technique in a roadrace, especially long ones. but for racing on a mountain, where it became popular. is drifting really faster? since a mountain has a down/uphill slope, and traction is usually similiar to tarmac rally(leaves, gravel, etc.) and the roads r very narrow and dont allow many options for a proper line. in that situation would drifitng be the fastest way?