that right

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast is fun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 8.52 to 8.08 is not fast</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gary ran 8.31 @ 172 in a makeup qualifying pass....

Also that 8.52 was @ 143 mph letting off

 

Domestic rice they are slow

 

 

Well, do you guys think there will be good turnouts at the NOPI events do to NHRA's rules and domestic factory teams following the NHRA schedule?

 

The question is how are you going to slow the GM//Mopar team down? I mean they are following the rules. If they add more weight to the class that goes for everybody not just GM/Mopar therefore slowing everybody down with them still being quicker. It is just not going to happen. The sad thing is the sunfire will go quicker. It got quicker everypass. I would not be surprised if it broke 7s in the next 3 races.

Also as far as money goes. I don't mean to offend anybody but doesn't Kenny Trans team have a ton of backing? They did not run good this weekend at all. I don't think I saw one even semi clean pass from it. Abel Ibarra has a ton of backing. He also did not make it past the 330ft. So not only does the GM/Mopart/Saturn team have a big budget. They are spending it on being as consistent as possible.

Also, you guys are blaming NHRA. What are the major differences between the NDRA rules and the NHRA rules in regards to the hotrod class.

 

i think the reason that jotech didnt run is because tony1 isnt with them anymore.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gravy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i think the reason that jotech didnt run is because tony1 isnt with them anymore. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I wanted to say something along those lines without offending anyone.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Something needs to be done to level the playing field. Anyone have an idea?
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I dont think thats the Key.

Earl(I'm not pointing fingers), from What I see you guys are low budget team and are far behind these Gm cars. Im not hating either, but its a fact and I think everyone applauds your effort. You have guys have much more than I have so my opinion doesn't matter to much. You guys are probaly the best group of guys with the best sportsmanship.
As for myself i enjoy watching teams like yourself. You guys are the closest thing that alot of people can have. Its a little more realistic to everyone else.

But the bottom line is....
If you limit the cars GM will find ways around, Kenny Tran has alot of experience and obviously more money to use, Gary G etc.... These guys are going to be at the top of the game no matter what. Look at the resources they have available.
You have to keep working at what you love and things will come your way as well.
Its just harder for some and easier for others.

And like someone said before The problem is Pro Fwd.
The hotrod class has been around much longer, there is more proven combinations. There is a reason they are going crazy fast.

Just watch sooner or later the ProFwd guys will be going as fast as the ProRwd and they will be the ones bitching next

 

Speaking of Gardella. I don't think he has a Major sponsor either and he went 8.3x! Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

 

also, gm/mopar are using autos which puts them at an advantage for consitency... and theyve had some time to develop them... hondas finally got a tranny to run this year so its going to take some time to get the times imrpoved with the new setup...,

Geo, you are correct about gardella


Modified by Jay Dirt at 2:11 AM 4/19/2004

 

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ask and you shall recieve....

 

OK, I'm looking for some original thought here to even out the playing field.
How about this...Do a weight to cubic inch ratio
1.9 liters weighs 1900 lbs minimum
2.0 liters 2000 lbs
2.1 = 2100
2.2 = 2200
2.3 = 2300
nothing larger in engine size

 

4 cars showing up for pro fwd to me isn't much of a race. I assume they arent paying out for only 4 cars? (joke)

btw.....gary is the man

 

I belive gary's car wieghs 2250 now and it's probaly not much over 2.0l. They can still go quick with that weight!

 

you would have a 150lb tranny penalty plus 100lb second power adder and make weight

 

we will see next weekend what NDRA brings to the table as far as participation by racers and filling up the classes.

I am hoping they have bump spots in every single class.

Anthony

 

NDRA is going to be off the hook...

 

i love racing and i prob have little say but my car is about a week from being done and cant wait to run. i will be running hot rod and expect 9 second passes. i know this wont win or be close but like to try, but i would also like to be competive
thanks

 

maybe the classes should be broken into factory sponsored and non factory sponsored. if i had to compete against a car with a million dollars behind it, i would quit too. not beacuse i'm a quitter but because that is not a level playing field.

by the way, its funny that theses domestic cars are doing so good at the track with a billion dollars shoved up thier asses, but they still suck on the street.

by the way, i know that there are a lot of slow hondasand blah blah blah.

 

maybe the gm and mopar engines and chassis are just better, i mean maybe the motors can withstand more and just make more power???? i mean i love honda to death and probably will never own anything but a honda. but maybe instead of the non sponsored teams building new hondas they should be looking into building different cars.......on the other hand if the k series engine is everything everybody makes it out to be, the hondas should be in the running.

 

Earl there is no way to level the playing field. No matter what rules are added, teams with smaller budgets will always be at a disadvantage. Take an extreme situation for example, even if we limited it to say only 2.3L honda motors and a restricted turbo size and tranny, those teams that have the budgets and knowledge for research and development will come out ahead. While many low budget teams are using on the shelf and some custom parts, larger budget teams will develop every single aspect of the car that also meets the rules. The sport is young and it will take a very long time to get to that point of a level field. Remember that no matter if u are a low budget or high budget team, we are the innovators of this sport and we will conitue to make huge leaps and bounds in this industry for the next several years. Right now those who have the budgets and knowledge are developing the technology for future racers.

 

Someone mentioned 2 different HR classes...I like that Idea. I mentioned it last time around when this subject was up. I know it will never happen, so I don't wait for it

As far as GM making stronger factory engines...you can dream, but it's far from it. My cousin works at a saturn dealership and teh ecotec's are crap from what he tells me. and he's not even into racing


I think the solution is run a sanction where they will not compete, or run the SFWD class.

I'm still gonna build a HR car anyways. It doesn't matter if I win or lose to a better or faster team. I will probably never be able to compete professionally and travel to most events. I'm jsut gonna build one for the shear fact that it makes me happy and I want a car that will compete with the local boys that have HR class cars. I think if most people have this mentality(not you Earl, you guys are considered Professional or a full-time team to me)they will not mind it at all. Imagine lining up with the Top dogs and forget about losing. HOw many people get that chance

 

that's true. i'd be so sick to have your car in a picture vs kenny tran or gary g, even when you know they're gonna smoke you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, I'm looking for some original thought here to even out the playing field.
How about this...Do a weight to cubic inch ratio
1.9 liters weighs 1900 lbs minimum
2.0 liters 2000 lbs
2.1 = 2100
2.2 = 2200
2.3 = 2300
nothing larger in engine size</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont knwo how big the ecotec guys engines are but earls suggestion on weight base on engine displacement is a start.. im not to fimilar with the hot rod class but i know they do enforce a similar run in the all motor class. At least its a start evening the playing feild.