I wish I had the patience to not rag on a new setup for 500-1000 miles, but yea right.

That's the exact reason I run puck clutches, is because you hafta breakit street disks

Suprdave

 

hey man i have the jun killers, but i haven't tuned them but without tuning the pull from 7-8k is very nice ..... everywhere else kinda lags but i have not tuning and it's a stock motor, until 2-3 more weeks from now i should have the motor done(thanks to Dave ), and i will also try to have it tuned by then also.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Integra-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well unlike you other people don't believe in breaking in their motors that way. Honestly I believe that yes indeed your rings are seated within the first 20 or so minutes after initial start up. From what I gather most people here tend to break in their motor gradually. You talk about bandwagon hype? This place is chock full of them. You make no mention of how there is a guarantee to make power or your money back. I have never ever seen an offer like that. Have you? If so state it I always want to learn more. Like I said though not many people have these cams so you can't expect immediate dynos and results. I gave you one example of why the cams are named what they are. Tell me if you were a manufacturer of a product that beat a well known product that you wouldn't push it hard. I know I'd be ******* proud of it. Hell it shows with every manufacturer, it's what pushes this industry further. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well...since you said you know a guy that had JUN 3's in his car and swapped out the cams for the jun killers, if it was the same setup beside the swapping of the cams, all he had to do is dyno and tune his first setup compared to his second setup. Shouldn't be that hard to do.

 

Is this Honda-tech or hater-tech? its very simple don't buy the cams if you don't believe. as far as breaking in motors warm it up for 15 minutes change the oil and put it on the dyno! Wallah the motor is ready to go. Just my opinion. Go Rocket Ef1.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Al Bundy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well...since you said you know a guy that had JUN 3's in his car and swapped out the cams for the jun killers, if it was the same setup beside the swapping of the cams, all he had to do is dyno and tune his first setup compared to his second setup. Shouldn't be that hard to do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Show me where I say I know a guy. I said Rocket does. By the way in that link provided up above the first dyno is the dyno of the car I mentioned. No numbers on it because they don't want their competition to know how much power they are making.

 

wtf is this?? Fisher Price My First Dyno graph??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BustaNutt-616 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wtf is this?? Fisher Price My First Dyno graph??

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LOL

 

Just so you all know , IB had my set of jun killer m24 cams for 5 months and was going to dyno them against my toda b's. But then 2 days before the toda dyno was to happend he told me he wouldnt post the plots of the m24's . Jeff its funny how now that I have the cams back your willing to post up results if you had the cams???? Either way i never ran them and i shipped them to a happy new owner this week. Btw the toda plot never happend either because of sleeve failure(again) which wasnt IB's fault. i f i had know the demand was strong on these i would have ebayed the suckers.lol

 

Yea, I had them for a long time. No motor to test them on that was worthy.

I am glad we didn't touch them, at the rate I was messing up with you, those things would have broken or something.

Or something! I got some Toda D's now, and I "think" we are going to tune with those soon on a new deck plate GE engine my friend has.

Jeff

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Btw the toda plot never happened either because of sleeve failure(again) which wasn't IB's fault. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What sleeves failed-again? And why? Very curious.
I would also like to see a plot of the Jun killers-or the new even bigger cams that ef1 is rumored to have made.

 

I'm assuming GE...

 

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you mean Ghetto Eagle? ...more than likely

 

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You will as soon as i get them why do you think I got rid of the m24's .

I still might get some d's till my new ones from rocket are ready.

As far as the sleeve thing goes, it has been taken care of and I'm now runnig rs sleeves.

 

Anybody dyno these yet?Also anybody talk to camp1320,i think he got banned again.

 

bump because I read all those pages and I woud like to hear some sort of resutls.

 

yeah, camp got banned again, not sure what the deal is.

 

what i'd like to know is why would you name cams "jun killers" without any proof that they actually work better then jun's.

i'm not hatin on them but if you make a statement such as that be ready to back it up.

and so far not one dyno chart supporting this jun killer theory.

if they work , but for all the jun killer hype.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by genius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i'd like to know is why would you name cams "jun killers" without any proof that they actually work better then jun's.

i'm not hatin on them but if you make a statement such as that be ready to back it up.

and so far not one dyno chart supporting this jun killer theory.

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they do give dyno charts, vs. the Jun's on the ef-1.com website.

the others are asking for charts from other cars using them not just the b20 from the website.

 

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they do give dyno charts, vs. the Jun's on the ef-1.com website.

the others are asking for charts from other cars using them not just the b20 from the website.

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We want charts with numbers. Not charts with 2 different colors that look similar

 

I agree, that these cams are still all hype...I'm still waiting on some dyno graphs.

Suprdave

 

look at it this way. u got a set of JUN 3 cams, u have a set of EF1 cams. dial out a little bit of overlap in the duration of the cam and bam u have more physical cylinder pressure. which in theory could b enough to bump it up just a bit. big frickin deal. ur talkin about a few HP. im not eric aguilar thats put 80k into a car to run 10s and lookin for that last ounce of HP. to call them JUN killers is an overstatement to say the least. now to put them head to head with JUN cams would b more appropriate. if they end up producing what they say they do eventually HT will end up with a JUN, TODA, EF1 cam debate a mile long as they have had with the JUN VS TODA debate. ill stick with my japanese proven JUN cams until they are no good. then ill buy another set.

 

These "Jun Killers" are unproven so far. Lets see some head to head real world dyno comparisons, or better yet, 1/4 mile times.

 

You know, I can see what the seller of these cams has tried to do.

If IB was to come out with something new, that was to compete with another company, and I called it like:

Endyn Killers, or JG Killers

It would be a very bad marketing move. Badmouthing other companies doesn't work. Trust me. I know.

You can be 100%+ right, that your product is better, and it still doesn't matter, you make too many people upset.

I bet even if somebody posts a real dyno graph up, these cams are still going to be debated.

I think it would be a better marketing move to charge like $1000 dollars for them, if they did in fact beat JUN.

People are looking at it, thinking "Jun Killers" For like less than $500 bucks?

Sounds like alot of hype combined with a cheesy, cheap product to people/

Whats the purpose selling them for so cheap? There is no point. No good cams on the market should be less than like $700 bucks. Toda is over $1000.

The price implies its not the same quality as the Toda.

Those are my suggestions, I really don;t care what you do, I am just trying to make you understand why everyone is mocking you.

thats the truth. LIke it or not.

Jeff

 

I notice that no one has said anything about webcams. I bought a set from them and they seem to be very intune with the import scene. they asked me all sorts of questions about my car, engine, trans., and the use of my car, these cams are not regrinds, they are custom cams.. webcams have been proven time and time again... ( this is my 2 cents)...

 

Fawk it,im going with toda b's.