<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree, that these cams are still all hype...I'm still waiting on some dyno graphs.

Suprdave</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yup..they are hype.

 

have patience people, there will be plenty of dyno graphs up with different setups and different cams. and BTW they are called ef-1 M24's and just got the nick name "jun killer" but now everyone refers to them as the jun killer. and they arent 500 a set they are 700. most dont understand that rocket has put alot of time and research into these cams but where he works a full time job on top of this its hard for him. plus the guy that makes the cams likes to take his time and do a good job!

 

So that means these cams should out perform jun stage 4's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1slow4door &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have patience people, there will be plenty of dyno graphs up with different setups and different cams. and BTW they are called ef-1 M24's and just got the nick name "jun killer" but now everyone refers to them as the jun killer. and they arent 500 a set they are 700. most dont understand that rocket has put alot of time and research into these cams but where he works a full time job on top of this its hard for him. plus the guy that makes the cams likes to take his time and do a good job!</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah well put.

dave is doing my build up for me and as soon as that's done i will have my car dynoed and tuned... but it all depends on the machine shop.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Al Bundy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So that means these cams should out perform jun stage 4's</TD></TR></TABLE>

no thats what the supercam is for, it will perform with the jun 4's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1slow4door &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have patience people, there will be plenty of dyno graphs up with different setups and different cams. and BTW they are called ef-1 M24's and just got the nick name "jun killer" but now everyone refers to them as the jun killer. and they arent 500 a set they are 700. most dont understand that rocket has put alot of time and research into these cams but where he works a full time job on top of this its hard for him. plus the guy that makes the cams likes to take his time and do a good job!</TD></TR></TABLE>

The ef-1 website refers to the m24s as "jun killers". I hope you're not implying that others gave that nickname.

As far as patience goes, I looked up the "JUN KILLER" thread created by Rocket and that was 9/17/2002. It's been 8 months. More specifically, someone posted in that thread 3 months ago saying the cams were in his car and all he needed to do was break the motor in and the dyno #s would be up soon. That was 3 months ago.

To me, time and research doesn't mean anything without real world results. And why would a consumer care if the seller/creator is busy with a full time job? I sure as hell don't. So someone has enough free time to make money off of products but no time to prove them?

I don't want to come across as if I'm doubting these cams. I'm really not. But you can't argue that the cams have not been proven....yet.

 

yes i understand, many dyno's have been done just nothing posted up yet. ive ran these cams and know alot of the dyno numbers so i know that they are good cams and are very good competiton for jun/toda/skunk

 

need this in my recent topics

 

Someone (perhaps Rocket?) should send the cams over to ImportBuilders...they are doing tests on different cams...and I'm sure they would like to see how the EF1s perform.

-Rod

 

hype hype hype. Its hype when they have a forum talking about the cams but no one backs it up. Until then hyp

 

I took it out of my recent topics because i didnt see any results since i started the thread.Jeff said he would already dyno them he just needs a set,someone email camp1320 for a set since he aint a member no more.Also see if he can do those RS machine cams.

 

i contacted camp1320 as well as people on hondasaver.com for ef-1 cams.
they're on back ordered. i'm willing to BUY a set and test them up since a lot
of people are talking about it. i currently have CTR cams and am considering
EF-1 cams or the Skunk2 Stg2s

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2geezy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i contacted camp1320 as well as people on hondasaver.com for ef-1 cams.
they're on back ordered. i'm willing to BUY a set and test them up since a lot
of people are talking about it. i currently have CTR cams and am considering
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Remember that if it doesn't make more power than JUN 4's or any jun cam, you get your money back guaranteed.

 

Almost a year and still no charts. Mann what the hell is the hold up. Alot of money could be being spent.

Jeff already said hed dyno tune so whats the deal. Someone better come up with somethin or the thread should be locked. Sad to see over 8 months of hype on a product that good things have been heard about. Whats the dang hold up?

BTW what rpm range are the springs and retainers able to withstand. I know Jun came out with their Gen2 products and they might be safer unless you have somethin as strong Rocket.

Not bashing your parts, but as one business man to another do what you gotta do to get these numbers up bro.

 

I keep telling you all that Jeff had a pair for 6 months. I had a set of ef-1 at IB and they were to be dynoed in my motor up against my toda b's. Jeff had said he wouldn't post the results of the ef-1 weather they did good or bad so it's not Rockets fault. Rocket had planned on having that unbiased test done for you guys and then Jeff backed out.
My few week project turned into a 5 month ordeal(not Jeffs fault but a sleeve company) and then my motor blew on the dyno so the test didnt even happen.
You people dont understand that there are only approx 8 sets of these cams in existence so to get one of the owners to give them up is going to be tough. rocket hasnt hyped these cams except for his original post showing the plots , and that was just kinda a joke as far as the jun killer thing went. It's the people here that stared all the hype. If you guys notice he doenst even visit this board anymore so getting a resonce would be easier on his site. He also isnt a big cam manufacture and doesnt have a million dollar plant that can plug these out, he has to rely on other peoples timeframes too. He does this because he wants to provide a cheaper avenue for true enthusiasts. He's not here to make a million dollars or he would call up one of the cam manufactures and have them just start mass producing them.

 

all im sayin is that theres 8 sets and not ALL are in a car. Someone needs to get some numbers or make more. If i had a company where people wanted the cams and there were 20+ people that would buy if i got charts up i would be on my toes tryin to get the **** runnin. Not downing you or anyone but somewhere theres a problem.

 

First I want to say I completely understand what you guy's are saying, but heres the thing, if you knew Rocket you would understand that its not about selling a milloin set of cams, he works one on one with the select few people that end up with his product. He doesnt have anymore of these set cut as of yet. He cant do anthing even if he wanted too(unless he cheaps out). I had to send my set to someone else because they needed a set badly. He's not going to have just any joe cam grinder cut these things either so he's at the disposal of others timeframes. He hasnt made any promises to anyone that he hasnt kept that I know of and has been nothing but gracious to all that he has worked with. I wish I was better with words and could explain it better, but bluntly , he knows his stuff works and those who run his stuff do to. And beleive me he has other cams that will crush these too, this cam was designed for the mainstream market and i'm sure when full production of these hit the market they will get the good and the bad. Each tunner tunes differently and have there own style just like each engine builder, no 2 combinations will be the same nor will everyones results. Look at IB since everyone uses his charts as the benchmark, Jeff didn't favor toda cams very much, on all his plots most of the todas were losers in comparison, but out east here I have seen back to back tunning sessions(within a 2 day period) of toda and jun cams. the todas crushed the jun up till 8000 and only the jun would peak about 6 hp higher. Each tunner is different and works best usually with what they favor. In all i agree that there needs to be more testing done on these but I hate to see people dismiss them because they havent tried them, and for people to personally attack rockets credibility and him , well thats just wrong. Just like it was wrong when eveyone attacked IB and called his dyno plots fake because he could do things that other tunners couldnt with similar setups.

 

I have been curious about these cams since they were "HondaSaver" cams. Jeff said that he may be getting a set for us to test next Thursday. We have my Toda "D"s, a set of Skunk2 Stage 3's that Jeff has, and my Skunk2 Stage 2's. We are going to try and test all of the cams that we can, and tune them to their full potential (Jeff does the tuning, I will be doing the grunt work) in order to get a fair comparison. The limiting factor is time, how much tuning and dynoing can be done in one day? I guess we will find out...

 

Very understood. Im gonna sit back and wait on these numbers. I saw a few people talk good about them and im not one to bash.

 

From this dyno chart, It looks to me as if these cams suck on the street. The Jun3's kill these cams in low-mid range TQ & HP. The Jun3's have the same TQ&Hp starting at 2600 Rpm as the M24 do at like 6500 Rpms.Jun3's for street cams

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Project92Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From this dyno chart, It looks to me as if these cams suck on the street. The Jun3's kill these cams in low-mid range TQ & HP. The Jun3's have the same TQ&Hp starting at 2600 Rpm as the M24 do at like 6500 Rpms.Jun3's for street cams
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It looks like the red line is on top almost at all points so where are you looking???
The blue line is a Jun 3.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImportReview &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am just trying to make you understand why everyone is mocking you.

thats the truth. LIke it or not.

Jeff</TD></TR></TABLE>

Man Jeff, I don't know how many marketing lessons you have tried to give me. Thanks but no thanks.

My goal is for ef-1 to be like Cosworth or Ilmor. What's your goal for IB?

Yeah, JUN and Toda cam owners are not going to like the nickname JUN Killer or Toda Killer.

Yeah I can charge more for the cams but my goal is not to charge more. If people equate price/cost to higher quality then so be it. In a competitve market this is true but the market is not competitive when there are just 2 big names (JUN and TODA).

I priced the cams at what people want it at and what I want to sell them for.

More dyno results will be coming. Those who want to help with the process contact us. Those who want to wait and see, wait and you will see. No doubt.

End of story.

 

This is how ef-1 and Rocket work: if you a dealer or wanna be a dealer. You contact us, we give you give away pricing for parts for your personal car. All products are top notch and make your engine better that what it was before. I don't see any unhappy dealers or cusomters?

Try calling Mr. Toda or Mr. JUN or Mr. Payne or Mr. Skunk or Mr. Any Big Name and see if you get the same treatment then come post here with what you find out.

The phone number you see for us is my personal cell phone. Call anytime if you guys like. I am up to talk performance anytime. (I can just be hard to get a hold of).

Bottom line is everybody has their favorite cams, my happen to by ef-1. More end of story.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just to add, I'm very happy with my B vtec turbo cams from EF-1. By the seat of the pants dyno, I gained a ton, now I have to finish tuning the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks Jared. ef-1 was formed to serve tuners like you, knowledeable and opened minded.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Al Bundy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guarantee it will make power over JUN 3/ Skunk stage 2's right? Not just over stock cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

GUARANTEED. IN WRITING.

If you don't like the way they perform then just send them back. You'll get your money back less shipping. That's the way it should be. I know they work, you don't so I am putting my money were my mouth is. I have no problems with that.