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Old 09-13-2013, 05:31 PM   #51
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Sorry guys, I've really neglected this thread. I do have pictures/update coming though!
Yeah you have. Were you able to get some pictures of the red flakes?
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Yeah you have. Were you able to get some pictures of the red flakes?
Kind of, it's pretty hard to see. It's around the edges.



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Was it a pearl paint job by any chance?
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Was it a pearl paint job by any chance?
Yep. Red pearl. Maaco job, base/clear.
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Don't have pictures, just think of small pits in the paint left from pebbles, 1-2mm in diameter with bits of rust forming. Also, think of a scratch from a nail deep enough that it's rusting. Prep-pen? I may just buy it, no one seems to really know much about them.
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Yep. Red pearl. Maaco job, base/clear.
I've seen that a few times on pearl paint jobs. Freaked me out the first time I saw it too.


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Don't have pictures, just think of small pits in the paint left from pebbles, 1-2mm in diameter with bits of rust forming. Also, think of a scratch from a nail deep enough that it's rusting. Prep-pen? I may just buy it, no one seems to really know much about them.
The prep pen could work, I like the idea of having a sanding stick that's easier to control. Either way to you do it, wetsand or prep pen, sand it down, fill in the chip/scratch with touch up paint, let it COMPLETELY dry, wet sand again and polish out. Should have good results if you're patient
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I was nervous enough that I stopped claying the car all together. The paint is garbage to start with. That's what you get for parking it uncovered under a tree for 2 years.
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What should we cover next? Polishing?
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Polishing sounds good to me. What pads/polishes etc?
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Last time I washed my car, I soaped it all up then rinsed it all off, to my surprise, there was soap streaks all over the car! How do I avoid this in the future? Thanks.
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Last time I washed my car, I soaped it all up then rinsed it all off, to my surprise, there was soap streaks all over the car! How do I avoid this in the future? Thanks.
What soap are you using (may have asked this before)

Are you rinsing first? How are you applying the soap?
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Polishing sounds good to me. What pads/polishes etc?
I was thinking cover that, with a quick down of what does what, what works well,etc.

Maybe a quick run down of polishers/buffers?

Might just be me, but I hate seeing some new kid reach right for the rotary.
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Last time I washed my car, I soaped it all up then rinsed it all off, to my surprise, there was soap streaks all over the car! How do I avoid this in the future? Thanks.
What soap? Where you washing in the sun, and not rinsing off immediately?
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I was thinking cover that, with a quick down of what does what, what works well,etc.

Maybe a quick run down of polishers/buffers?

Might just be me, but I hate seeing some new kid reach right for the rotary.

Sounds good.

TIP* Rotarys should only be used by experienced paint correction persons. If you are new to correcting your paint get yourself a DA (dual action) polisher. They are much easier to learn on and is harder to burn through the paint.
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Pretty sure I used Blue Coral Car Wash. I rinsed, soaped it up, rinsed. Used Microfiber towel and Wash mitt. It was hot out but I made sure to rinse before any of the soapy water dried on the paint.
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Pretty sure I used Blue Coral Car Wash. I rinsed, soaped it up, rinsed. Used Microfiber towel and Wash mitt. It was hot out but I made sure to rinse before any of the soapy water dried on the paint.
Was the car hot to the touch?


I was always told if it's hotter than you, it's too hot to wash.
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I've always used duragloss car wash. Just a capful. I recently saw zymol at Walmart? Any opinions?

Been detailing for about 8 years in my spare time and finally did my first white car. Definitely a much larger task.

Also been using finish kare top kite for tires/moldings and even the inside interior. I now prefer it over poorboys. Also picked up some optibond tire gel and applied it non diluted and wasn't too impressed with it.
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I've always used duragloss car wash. Just a capful. I recently saw zymol at Walmart? Any opinions?

Been detailing for about 8 years in my spare time and finally did my first white car. Definitely a much larger task.

Also been using finish kare top kite for tires/moldings and even the inside interior. I now prefer it over poorboys. Also picked up some optibond tire gel and applied it non diluted and wasn't too impressed with it.
Which Zymol? They make quite a few different waxes. Overall they are a decent wax, their concourse series is pretty fancy but at $175 bottle I'd rather stay with Wolfgangs.

Agree with you on white cars, much harder to see the results/finishing when doing it. Constantly have to move around in the light to get different angles. I own 2 white cars myself.
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This is the zymol car wash I saw at Walmart. Any opinions? I've read good things in autogeek about it but no complaints about duragloss.

http://mobile.walmart.com/m/phoenix;...48-oz/19864190
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I wouldn't see why that is bad. I thought it was a wax not soap. I always have just used Meguiars gold from Costco. Huge container (1 gallon) for $15
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Here's a picture of my project truck. Truck has been sitting since 1995 (it was kept running, barely) and the paint was the worst I've seen. Decided to see if I could bring it back to life. Here is a before/after picture. Not completely done with the finished side but feel confident now that it can be saved. Just that portion took me about 8hrs.
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Looks good. What are you using machine-wise?
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Looks good. What are you using machine-wise?
I'm using a harbor freight rotary with Lake Country pads (foam and wool) with Wolfgang products. Once I want to shell out some money I'll get the Porter Cable Dual Action.
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ok so, polishing.

there are multiple ways to do this, by hand, rotary, and DA, (dual action), also called an orbital.

Some people swear by polishing by hand. Personally, I think it's just a pain in the ***, and I'm never happy with the results. However there are times where hand polishing is the only option. Behind door handles, and in tight/small areas.
(If any one would like something added to this, please let me know.)

Now onto the machines. This is where it can get scary for someone who hasn't done this before. Rotary or DA? Well that needs to be decided on your skill level/comfort level, and the severity of the defect you wish to remove. Rotaries have always been known for the sheer amount of power they have, and the ability to remove sever defects/sanding marks quickly. However with the new compounds and pads, a DA can bridge that gap rather quickly without the danger.


The dangers of rotary use can range from holograms (also called buffer trails), swirl marks, or the dreaded burn thru.

Halograms:


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Burn through: Notice above the D.



(please note, those pictures are not mine. If the owner of them would like them taken down, PM me)

Now the DA, my personal favorite.

Unlike the rotary a DA doesn't not spin in a constant circle.

Example:


This machines are very simple for a beginner to get into. Some what cheap, (depending on machine), very easy to control, and overall just very user friendly.

That should cover it for right now, I may add more later. If you would something added/changed feel free to let me or TypeRfit know.
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okay, enough talk onto some pictures. These are some of my pictures of cars I've worked on.

F150 tail gate before: Done with Griots 6'' DA, Meguiars M105/205 with GG orange pads.

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50/50:


Done: Sorry about the bottles in the shot. This is the only picture I have.


one of the doors, I forget which.

Before:


Done:


DA integra: Meg's M105, Meguairs Yellow wool on the rotary. GG 6''+ orange pads, M205.





Sorry have no before shots, it's was difficult to get shots of the defects, and I just wanted to get it done.

Red crown vic, sorry not before shots, unless I can find them

DA, M105 on orange pad, m205 on black





My civic: I forgot what I used on it.





Got this one yesterday. This is with no wax/sealant, just the paint... It was washed with dawn, and hit with Griots paint prep right before this.

That's it for now, I will add more as I find them.
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Looks good 98civdx. The only thing I will add to it is the speed of motion with the rotary/da.

That black truck up there is a perfect example of it, you can see how 99% of the buffer marks have hard edges on them. That is from moving the machine too fast and putting too much pressure on the edge of the pad.

Going over a panel in a fast pace more often then not will typically give you horrible results. Move in a nice slow smooth overlapping motion and let the pad do the work for you. Most waxes/polishes will turn almost transparent when the compound agent in the wax has done its job and broke down.
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