Azxster

Panasonic CQ-C1333U
- MP3 playback, 3.5mm AUX input
http://www.cardomain.com/item/PANCQC1333U

Orion 600D, Class D - Mono Amplifier
- 400W x 1 @ 2 Ohms (600W x 1 @ 1 Ohms, stable)
http://www.cardomain.com/item/ORI47400

12" Kaption Subwoofer in Kaption Ported Enclosure
- 300W RMS, 4 Ohm DVC (or 2)

DB Link 1 farad Digital Capacitor

Kicker 8 Gauge Wiring Kit w/ Signal, Speaker Wire

Comments for choice:

1) Car did not come with receiver. MP3 appears to be much more beneficial. 3.5mm AUX input for gf's iPod or other portable player.

2) Is this amplifier perfect for the subwoofer choice? Is it true that the amplifier will shut off after ~ 20min with 1 ohm load in warmer weather? Would you overpower with 400W RMS or underpower with 200W RMS (600D vs 300D)

3) Heard great reviews; sounded nice and price is below cost.

4) Was recommended for a stock battery.

5) Read that Lightning Audio is poor quality. So it was a choice of Kicker or Stinger (Cardomain does not ship RF to Canada).

What you guys think? Am I missing anything? The price of this setup is quite a large increase than what initially planned.

I am thinking of cheaping out to 300D and 10 gauge for a savings of 165, is it worth it? Is it not ideal to run a 1 ohm load as a "daily driven" car?

fcm

Use the D600, [1x400W RMS into 2 ohms] get a DVC 4 ohm sub and wire the VCs in parallel for a 2 ohm load, done deal. 94

spooneg8

1ohm daily will not hurt the amp at all, i have a 300d running .5 ohm daily, very strong amplifiers

i'd run the 600d...just to have more headroom, but watch the gains

silentblackhat

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Use the D600, [1x400W RMS into 2 ohms] get a DVC 4 ohm sub and wire the VCs in parallel for a 2 ohm load, done deal. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agree

Azxster

How long am I able to run 1 ohm in outdoor temps of max of 35ºC?

I got the 300D because I am cheap, and do not need much.

Is a capacitor a waste for 200W RMS?

8520

I would never run an amp below the impedance it's rated at. Should have gotten the 600d and if money was the issue you should have just nixxed the cap.

You can always add a cap later, but you can't just up and return an amp in 6 months.

Running a sub is better at 2ohm than at 1ohm btw, as far as sq goes. The only reason to lower impedance is to make more power.

Skip01

Orion amps will run at .5 ohms with no modding all day long.
1ohm will not hurt anything.
Trust me ive done it,with many others as well.

Also caps are a waste of money,unless its Batcap.
Your stock electrical system should be fine with as much as 1200watts on it.
I ran a Orion 2500D(.5ohm) with only a Optima yellow top on a stock Civic alt.
I would do the Big 3 upgraded wires just to make sure.If you can.

This is all just my opinion.

8520

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also caps are a waste of money,unless its Batcap.
Your stock electrical system should be fine with as much as 1200watts on it.

I ran a Orion 2500D(.5ohm) with only a Optima yellow top on a stock Civic alt.
I would do the Big 3 upgraded wires just to make sure.If you can.
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Caps are not a waste of money, especially when you weigh in optima's costing more than 250 if memory serves and you can get a name brand cap for 100-150 retail. Granted the optima is a better all around solution (ie whole car not just stereo), but if cost as in issue, a cap is usually a cheaper solution.

As far as upgrading your factory wires, that is excellent advice

Skip01

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by got_no_sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Caps are not a waste of money, especially when you weigh in optima's costing more than 250 if memory serves and you can get a name brand cap for 100-150 retail. Granted the optima is a better all around solution (ie whole car not just stereo), but if cost as in issue, a cap is usually a cheaper solution.

As far as upgrading your factory wires, that is excellent advice </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeh Optimas are def. only 130-140 at Autozone.

We gonna back and forth on 2-3 threads....bring it

8520

I remember them being more expensive

fcm

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Orion amps will run at .5 ohms with no modding all day long.
1ohm will not hurt anything.
Trust me ive done it,with many others as well.</TD></TR></TABLE> Orion amps like a lot of amp will work below there rated min. impedance, that doesn't make it right, Orion mono blocks are stable down to 1 ohm, Orion 2ch and 4ch amps are stable down to 2 ohms in stereo and 4 ohms when bridged, and like most amps have protection circuits the will shut amp down when overheating and low impedance, [among other things] are detected by the amp.
Connecting a lower then min. allowable imp. to an amp can destroy the amp and it will void the warranty.
Orions owners/install guide says the safe impedance for the 2500D is 1 ohm and it will make 2500W max into 1 ohm 1700W rms into 2 ohms and 1000W rms into 4 ohms, also in their trouble shooting guide under :symptom" poor bass response one of the "probable causes" is impedance load on amp is too low, "Action to take" if less then 1 ohm rewire, and battery fuse blowing, one of the "probable causes" actual current exceeds fuse rating, "Action to take" if speaker impedance is lower then 1 ohm, rewire for higher impedance.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also caps are a waste of money </TD></TR></TABLE> No they are not.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Trust me </TD></TR></TABLE> I don't think so.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is all just my opinion. </TD></TR></TABLE> Yes it is, it's also misinformation and you should keep it to yourself.
That's just my opinion 94

Skip01

Ouch..harsh.
But in my misinformed opinion caps are not worth the money.

Spend that money on a upgraded alt or a second battery.
Or like i said a Batcap ,half battery/half cap.

rcurley55

8 ga wire - imo is too small for a 600w amp.

imho, caps will over no benefit in sound quality at all - save your money and check your results first. if you have issues, examine your charging system and ensure it is in good working order. only then should you examine other methods of stabilizing voltage.

FULL throTTLe

get bigger power wire, and ditch the capacitor