I got my head back from ENDYNE
06-21-2004, 11:03 PM
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Re: (Rick Solis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rick Solis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Even if, thats still in the RLZ stage 2-3 range... Hmmm...
Modified by Rick Solis at 7:21 AM 6/22/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow, no point to this post eh?
Even if, thats still in the RLZ stage 2-3 range... Hmmm...
Modified by Rick Solis at 7:21 AM 6/22/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow, no point to this post eh?
06-21-2004, 11:19 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DefiantGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
better fuel atomization</TD></TR></TABLE>
can u or anyone further explain this?
better fuel atomization</TD></TR></TABLE>
can u or anyone further explain this?
06-22-2004, 12:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ambition »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
can u or anyone further explain this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
creates turbulance which in turn, mixes the air and fuel better. better and more complete burn...
can u or anyone further explain this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
creates turbulance which in turn, mixes the air and fuel better. better and more complete burn...
06-22-2004, 04:23 AM
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Apparantly if a head doesn't look bling bling that means it won't perform well.
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.
06-22-2004, 05:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Apparantly if a head doesn't look bling bling that means it won't perform well.
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea thats what im gathering from this thread. Not enough bling jeremy my man..
J/P
Anywho, once you get that sucker on the dyno, we'll know anyhow. So huch u peeps!
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea thats what im gathering from this thread. Not enough bling jeremy my man..
J/P
Anywho, once you get that sucker on the dyno, we'll know anyhow. So huch u peeps!
06-22-2004, 07:35 AM
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Re: (Rick Solis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rick Solis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Even if, thats still in the RLZ stage 2-3 range... Hmmm...
Modified by Rick Solis at 7:21 AM 6/22/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
a post by Rick i whole-heartedly agree with
Modified by Rick Solis at 7:21 AM 6/22/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
a post by Rick i whole-heartedly agree with
06-22-2004, 08:31 AM
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Our comment that was made regarding the pricing of the headwork was made before 92 civic VX B18C made any mention of the fact that Superior R&D had removed the head, replaced the head, set the cam timing, set the valves, installed the intake manifold, provided gaskets, etc. They also paid for the shipping both ways on the head.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
06-22-2004, 08:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Woofer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our comment that was made regarding the pricing of the headwork was made before 92 civic VX B18C made any mention of the fact that Superior R&D had removed the head, replaced the head, set the cam timing, set the valves, installed the intake manifold, provided gaskets, etc. They also paid for the shipping both ways on the head.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
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See....sounds like he paid a fair price to me. And to everyone bitching about the cost and what the head looks like: Who cares how the head looks? The most important thing is that the head performs. Endyn has numerous people running their heads and running quick/fast times. To me, it sounds like they did a basic job with some extras, which is great for a street set up. Quit griping about how it looks.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
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See....sounds like he paid a fair price to me. And to everyone bitching about the cost and what the head looks like: Who cares how the head looks? The most important thing is that the head performs. Endyn has numerous people running their heads and running quick/fast times. To me, it sounds like they did a basic job with some extras, which is great for a street set up. Quit griping about how it looks.
06-22-2004, 09:14 AM
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I'm curious on the injector dimpling: In the one pic, the left and right sides are not very symetrical to each other - Is this on purpose? It kind of looks like the right hand dimples are a straight shot while the left is not. Is this 'configuration' mirrored in the other ports?
06-22-2004, 09:38 AM
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Re: (Woofer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Woofer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our comment that was made regarding the pricing of the headwork was made before 92 civic VX B18C made any mention of the fact that Superior R&D had removed the head, replaced the head, set the cam timing, set the valves, installed the intake manifold, provided gaskets, etc. They also paid for the shipping both ways on the head.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct. </TD></TR></TABLE>
most shops will charge alot more than 1.5k
the local place would charge at least 2k, and it would take forever to get it done. when they built my engine, the put the timing belt on wrong too.
most people dont even think about the whole picture. if the shop is good, and they take care of their customes, paying more than 1.5k is definetly worth it.
if you did things yourself, you could save money. that will always be true. but you need to compare apples to apples
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct. </TD></TR></TABLE>
most shops will charge alot more than 1.5k
the local place would charge at least 2k, and it would take forever to get it done. when they built my engine, the put the timing belt on wrong too.
most people dont even think about the whole picture. if the shop is good, and they take care of their customes, paying more than 1.5k is definetly worth it.
if you did things yourself, you could save money. that will always be true. but you need to compare apples to apples
06-22-2004, 09:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by soccaian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why does it seem like they did no port work at all?
what exactly did you have them do?</TD></TR></TABLE>
what exactly did you have them do?</TD></TR></TABLE>
06-22-2004, 10:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AllMotorMadness »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why does it seem like they did no port work at all?
what exactly did you have them do?</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Port the intake and exhaust, put those little dent things in the intake ports, 5 angle valve job, and mill the head .015
his includes completely reworking the combustion chambers, our radius/discrete valve seat configuration (same as on our most expensive head packages), complete bowl work including short-turn radiuses, port match intake and exhaust port entries and exits, injector slot dimpling, valve rework, milling head to achieve stock valve to deck clearances (and stock cc's), and spring set-up and assembly with new Honda seals.
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you didnt see that stuff posted on the first page?
what exactly did you have them do?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Port the intake and exhaust, put those little dent things in the intake ports, 5 angle valve job, and mill the head .015
his includes completely reworking the combustion chambers, our radius/discrete valve seat configuration (same as on our most expensive head packages), complete bowl work including short-turn radiuses, port match intake and exhaust port entries and exits, injector slot dimpling, valve rework, milling head to achieve stock valve to deck clearances (and stock cc's), and spring set-up and assembly with new Honda seals.
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you didnt see that stuff posted on the first page?
06-22-2004, 10:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Apparantly if a head doesn't look bling bling that means it won't perform well.
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would have to agree, looks mean close to nothing...
Its kind of funny to see all the "that head looks dope/tite/pimp/etc" posts on H-T...
A flap wheel can make a head look "bling bling" but wont do you any good in the HP department...
The head has not had the ports reworked, but bowls and port matching, valvejob and chambers are done, all very important elements.
Heads don't need to look all crazy bling bling to considerably outperform stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would have to agree, looks mean close to nothing...
Its kind of funny to see all the "that head looks dope/tite/pimp/etc" posts on H-T...
A flap wheel can make a head look "bling bling" but wont do you any good in the HP department...
06-22-2004, 12:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What were your flow numbers? That will tell you if it looks good or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not even that is an accurate way of gauging the performance of a head... Any moron can hog port a head to flow like crazy but that doesnt mean its going to make more power than a stock head or run quicker than a stock head...
I started messing with a few heads months ago and from the little experience Ive gained Ive learned to apreciate and respect the guys that do this stuff for a living...
The slightest touch in the wrong place makes a world of difference... sometimes for the better most often if you dont know what your doing its for the worse
Not even that is an accurate way of gauging the performance of a head... Any moron can hog port a head to flow like crazy but that doesnt mean its going to make more power than a stock head or run quicker than a stock head...
I started messing with a few heads months ago and from the little experience Ive gained Ive learned to apreciate and respect the guys that do this stuff for a living...
The slightest touch in the wrong place makes a world of difference... sometimes for the better most often if you dont know what your doing its for the worse
06-22-2004, 01:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rick Solis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I would have to agree, looks mean close to nothing...
Its kind of funny to see all the "that head looks dope/tite/pimp/etc" posts on H-T...
A flap wheel can make a head look "bling bling" but wont do you any good in the HP department...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I will agree w/you on one thing the quality of the polishing doesn't make power.The pics look good for what was done.W/that being said,there is a level of apperance that should be attained by someone calling himself a professional head porter.People pay us good hard earned money for our work,and expect quaility in return.The finished head should look like I cared about what I was doing and not just spitting out work to get paid.Everybody is looking at the undone parts and not the worked on areas,the chambers in those pics are beautiful.
I would have to agree, looks mean close to nothing...
Its kind of funny to see all the "that head looks dope/tite/pimp/etc" posts on H-T...
A flap wheel can make a head look "bling bling" but wont do you any good in the HP department...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I will agree w/you on one thing the quality of the polishing doesn't make power.The pics look good for what was done.W/that being said,there is a level of apperance that should be attained by someone calling himself a professional head porter.People pay us good hard earned money for our work,and expect quaility in return.The finished head should look like I cared about what I was doing and not just spitting out work to get paid.Everybody is looking at the undone parts and not the worked on areas,the chambers in those pics are beautiful.
06-22-2004, 05:48 PM
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In the description of the various levels of porting we do, it's plainly stated what you get and what you don't get.
The basic package doesn't include full-porting, period. It's the same combination we do for road racers running SCCA, GrandAm, etc where we do our interpretation of Honda's ITR porting job, however, in cases where chamber mods aren't illegal, we include them because of their positive influence on flow and combustion quality.
The basic package as seen here will get you 98-99% of what full porting will do in an application like this one (stock bore, stock pistons, stock bottom end, stock valves, etc).
We've also had customers who've exceeded 235HP with relative ease on higher compression 2-liters using this same basic porting package. Obviously, in these larger displacement applications, more port volume would be of great benefit, but when a customer only has so much money to spend on head labor, springs, retainers, etc, we do the best we can.
All of the basic porting packages can also be updated to full-porting, and or pro-porting configurations at a later date if the customer is so inclined.
The basic package doesn't include full-porting, period. It's the same combination we do for road racers running SCCA, GrandAm, etc where we do our interpretation of Honda's ITR porting job, however, in cases where chamber mods aren't illegal, we include them because of their positive influence on flow and combustion quality.
The basic package as seen here will get you 98-99% of what full porting will do in an application like this one (stock bore, stock pistons, stock bottom end, stock valves, etc).
We've also had customers who've exceeded 235HP with relative ease on higher compression 2-liters using this same basic porting package. Obviously, in these larger displacement applications, more port volume would be of great benefit, but when a customer only has so much money to spend on head labor, springs, retainers, etc, we do the best we can.
All of the basic porting packages can also be updated to full-porting, and or pro-porting configurations at a later date if the customer is so inclined.
06-22-2004, 06:30 PM
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Re: (Woofer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Woofer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our comment that was made regarding the pricing of the headwork was made before 92 civic VX B18C made any mention of the fact that Superior R&D had removed the head, replaced the head, set the cam timing, set the valves, installed the intake manifold, provided gaskets, etc. They also paid for the shipping both ways on the head.
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
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i forgot that part...
ill still be faster than jeremy to the 1/8
Had we known this from the beginning, we'd never have made the statement regarding saving money by coming to us direct.
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i forgot that part...
ill still be faster than jeremy to the 1/8
06-22-2004, 08:08 PM
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Re: (Eviloliv3)
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i forgot that part...
ill still be faster than jeremy to the 1/8 </TD></TR></TABLE> Yeah next time we race I'll make sure I have it in gear before the light's hit the bottom of the tree
i forgot that part...
ill still be faster than jeremy to the 1/8
</TD></TR></TABLE> Yeah next time we race I'll make sure I have it in gear before the light's hit the bottom of the tree
06-23-2004, 10:57 AM
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Re: (92 civic VX B18c)
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People pay us good hard earned money for our work,and expect quaility in return.
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And how much of that hard earned money goes towards the hours it takes to make the ports "pretty" even though it doesn't offer any performance increase?
People pay us good hard earned money for our work,and expect quaility in return.
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And how much of that hard earned money goes towards the hours it takes to make the ports "pretty" even though it doesn't offer any performance increase?