Evo Magazine - 100 Greatest Drivers Cars
10-27-2009, 08:49 AM
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lol and I honestly don't care if the ITR made it and the S2000 didn't.
I wasn't talking about the list. You brought that one up.
I just said that the ITR isn't a sports car. Not sure how many times I have to say that. Infact..I think you even agreed with me that the ITR technically is NOT a sports car. That's really my only argument.
Besides all that...the S2000 isn't on the list YET. Who says they won't have it on the next page?
I wasn't talking about the list. You brought that one up.
I just said that the ITR isn't a sports car. Not sure how many times I have to say that. Infact..I think you even agreed with me that the ITR technically is NOT a sports car. That's really my only argument.
Besides all that...the S2000 isn't on the list YET. Who says they won't have it on the next page?
10-27-2009, 09:05 AM
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Faster? Sure, I would say 90% of the cars on EVO’s 100 list are faster, straight line, lap times, whatever metric you decide. To be honest, I would rather own many of the cars ranked lower in that article.
However, the rankings in the EVO magazine article are based on the collective experience of the staff and test drivers at EVO. I would make the argument they have a better ability subjectively assess what is a “drivers car” more than any one of us here on Honda-Tech, unless we are in a similar position and have driven most if not all of the cars evaluated. Doubt it….
With that said, I think their assessment of the ITR’s ranking relative to other cars is fair. It is very much a driver’s car. Sports car? Maybe not by your definition, but then again I would rather have a Lambo LP640 or Nissan GTR than a your-definition “sports car”, and I would gladly accept any definition of said cars, whether it be coupe, G-T, or pink fuzzy bunny. Because, well, they are much faster.
It would be only natural for you to defend the S2000 when compared to the ITR; it has more power, a more capable drivetrain, and it is more expensive, so there must be some argument for it to be more capable in any given performance environment. No one here can argue that the S2000 is marginally faster than an ITR, stock vs stock, with some level of experience, the same drivers in the same conditions. However, I think there is a valid argument that a novice driver can drive a stock ITR faster than a stock S2000 in a one-lap Time Attack type setting. And I think in general, this is the definition of a “drivers car”. A car that can be driven at or near the limit, for prolonged periods of time, with relative ease, with a return of enjoyment and fun, with not much experience needed.
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10-27-2009, 09:07 AM
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I agreed and maybe one or two other people agreed that the ITR is not a sports car by the traditional definition of what makes a sports car, but I don't speak for everyone here. The argument that the ITR won World Challenge from 97 to 01 (every year of production) and has had a remarkable and significant place in racing history probably indicates that the classic definition of what designates a sports car is too limiting.
Regardless, getting worked up over other people's opinions of what you drive, your likes and dislikes is petty because no matter what you own or drive someone will have an opinion about it that you will not like. Corvette guys are all going through mid-life crisis. Honda guys are all Asian students living in the ghetto dealing drugs.. Mustang guys all have handlebar mustaches. Ferrari and Lambo owners only care about image etc.
I would gladly own an S2k, ZR1, Bullet or Cobra, 355 or 360 or 250GT, Gallardo, etc.
Wouldn't it be nice to have one of each and let everyone else worry about all the arguing?
Regardless, getting worked up over other people's opinions of what you drive, your likes and dislikes is petty because no matter what you own or drive someone will have an opinion about it that you will not like. Corvette guys are all going through mid-life crisis. Honda guys are all Asian students living in the ghetto dealing drugs.. Mustang guys all have handlebar mustaches. Ferrari and Lambo owners only care about image etc.
I would gladly own an S2k, ZR1, Bullet or Cobra, 355 or 360 or 250GT, Gallardo, etc.
Wouldn't it be nice to have one of each and let everyone else worry about all the arguing?
10-27-2009, 09:13 AM
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10-27-2009, 09:18 AM
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I wont speak for the rest of the grouo in here but I can safely say that intelligence doesn't seem to be YOUR strong suit. You keep talking about sports cars when the magizine is talking about "Drivers cars".
RLY? What have you been doing for the last 3 pages then?
No. I said I wanted more intelligent wisdom frm you. This is just useless dribble. Blah blah blah. 
No. You not sad.....
Go ahead and tell us now how yoiur almighty s2k is a better car. I need some more comedy in here.
Trust me. It's obvious. It's about as obvious as your Troll status in here.
ROFL. You lie like you type on this forum. Out your ***.
RLY? What have you been doing for the last 3 pages then?
Go ahead and tell us now how yoiur almighty s2k is a better car. I need some more comedy in here.
Trust me. It's obvious. It's about as obvious as your Troll status in here.
ROFL. You lie like you type on this forum. Out your ***.
10-27-2009, 09:19 AM
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I'm pretty open to all cars. I said that the ITR is one of the best...if not the best FWD chassis ever made. I said that LONG before this magazine did.
I've owned Mitubishis (never again), Nissans and Hondas. FWD and RWD.
I just call it like it is.
I've owned Mitubishis (never again), Nissans and Hondas. FWD and RWD.
I just call it like it is.
10-27-2009, 09:24 AM
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10-27-2009, 09:27 AM
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I'm sure hes retarded and doesn't no how to spell group. Or maybe it's because the P and the O are right next to eachother on the standard keyboard and that the probability of him spelling it wrong is high while typing fast, and at you, compared to where the key is on the board.
10-27-2009, 09:31 AM
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Yeah. I do to and you are a Obvious Troll with zero credibility in here.
Where's those youtube vids you promised?
Here's one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_GXT8IVUI
Oops. Looks like the roadster lost again.
Where's those youtube vids you promised?
Here's one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_GXT8IVUI
Oops. Looks like the roadster lost again.
10-27-2009, 09:46 AM
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the ITR still isn't a sports car...
You can show me footage of an ITR beating a S2000, a Miata, and a Z06 at the same time. It wouldn't change that fact.
You can show me footage of an ITR beating a S2000, a Miata, and a Z06 at the same time. It wouldn't change that fact.
10-27-2009, 10:11 AM
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lol this is getting out of hand anyway. Let's take a step back. Let's take the S2000 and "sports car" out of the equation.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
10-27-2009, 10:37 AM
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lol this is getting out of hand anyway. Let's take a step back. Let's take the S2000 and "sports car" out of the equation.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
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10-27-2009, 11:16 AM
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Integra Type "R" <----------------- R meaning race...... FACTORY PRODUCED LIMITED RACE CAR for the road course and the street............ enough said....
S2000 CR........(club racer)...... Factory produced limited race car for the road course and the street as well.......
who the fukk gives a **** weather or not its classified as a sports car....... really who gives a ****......
and besides a car having a "race car" name is cooler then "sports car" lol I WAS just bored and felt like putting my $0.02 in..........
S2000 CR........(club racer)...... Factory produced limited race car for the road course and the street as well.......
who the fukk gives a **** weather or not its classified as a sports car....... really who gives a ****......
and besides a car having a "race car" name is cooler then "sports car" lol I WAS just bored and felt like putting my $0.02 in..........
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10-27-2009, 12:45 PM
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This is the most ridic. **** i have ever heard JUST DROP IT ...... LEAVE IT AS IT IS.... THIS IS CRAZY....... INTERNET FIGHTING FTL... JUST SO YA KNOW
10-27-2009, 02:37 PM
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^I was going to say the same thing. A sports car is not necessarily a two seater RWD. There are plenty of sports cars on the market that are outside of your definition. (ie. Lancer Evo's which were successful track and rally cars for several years, same for STi's) and they were both 4 door AWD sedans....
What about the BMW M3, not a two seater, so by your definition not a sports car? Bugatti Veryon is a AWD, not a sports car? Hmm.. I think you need to question your own definition of what a sports car really is. Just because a car does not fit the same form factor that the S2000 is, doesn't necessarily make it a non-sports car. As a matter of fact there a several groups here who may argue that that the S2000 isn't a sports car, but rather a roadster like the Z3, Z4, and Mazda Eunos Roadster (or Miata in the US).
I seemed to recall seeing a video a while back of some dumbass S2000 owner spouting his mouth of about how FF's could never real race cars, and got totally spanked by Civics and Integra. Just my 2 yen. Think about it....I haven't said a thing...
What about the BMW M3, not a two seater, so by your definition not a sports car? Bugatti Veryon is a AWD, not a sports car? Hmm.. I think you need to question your own definition of what a sports car really is. Just because a car does not fit the same form factor that the S2000 is, doesn't necessarily make it a non-sports car. As a matter of fact there a several groups here who may argue that that the S2000 isn't a sports car, but rather a roadster like the Z3, Z4, and Mazda Eunos Roadster (or Miata in the US).
I seemed to recall seeing a video a while back of some dumbass S2000 owner spouting his mouth of about how FF's could never real race cars, and got totally spanked by Civics and Integra. Just my 2 yen. Think about it....I haven't said a thing...
That guy with the S2000 never did out run any of the fwd guys, he finished up there with them but didnt get 1st...
And in that same vid, his ****en wheel came off the car while going into a turn
10-27-2009, 02:40 PM
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ya that or his tire exploded, whatever the hell that was, it wasn't bad driving, it was damage around the wheel or diff
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lol this is getting out of hand anyway. Let's take a step back. Let's take the S2000 and "sports car" out of the equation.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
If some guy had a trunk extender on his ITR and showed that he could stuff more groceries into the back of it than an Accord Wagon...would you start calling the ITR a wagon?
If someone had a V8 in a ITR and it towed more weight than a Tundra...could you call the ITR a truck?
Rationally answer those questions.
10-27-2009, 03:38 PM
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ITR is absolutly a sports car.. I dont think sports car defines a specific body type or lay out of a vehicle, but how the car actually performs and what the driver feels while driving it.
Hey B serious.. please "b serious" and see it for what it REALLY is, the ITR IS a sports car just a different kind than yours.
Hey B serious.. please "b serious" and see it for what it REALLY is, the ITR IS a sports car just a different kind than yours.