Phantom grip lsd?
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Re: Phantom grip lsd? (BLK94RS)
Its good to see that people are making informative replys such as " 
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"Gee, and why is that?"
"Cause umm, yeah, well umm, i heard that..."
This topic has actually been covered before:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=77079
"The Phantom Grip is a very simple device, that does a very simple task. It is literally just two hard steel plates and 4 springs. It installs inside the stock diff, and applies pressure to the spyder gears, pushing them against the back of the casting that holds all the gears together. This pressure causes additional friction resisting the operation of the differential, just like a clutch type diff. The difference, of course, is that instead of clutch packs wearing, you have only metal on metal friction surfaces (with oil inbetween). There are several springs available to tune the amount of lockup desired.
I've had one for two years in my turbo E Mod Civic autocross car (the white Fastech 86 Civic for those who've been to any of the east coast tours or nationals). It worked for about a year and a half, then seemed to get weak. I pulled the tranny, expecting to see a bunch of metal and wear, and was supprised that there was basically no wear. I replaced the springs with the new stiffer ones, and it works great again.
There are comments about the Phantom Grip from quite a few serious racers on http://www.rivergate5speed.com
-Chris"
My brother has a 95 elcipse with bigger turbo and stuff, he has about 320hp, he is faster than an E46 m3 (staight line of course)
He has had no problems with it. His car has high mileage and no problems.
If some just says it sucks, who cant even explain why, then disregard their post.
Search around on some other forums, alot of people actually do have them in their cars
""Gee, and why is that?"
"Cause umm, yeah, well umm, i heard that..."
This topic has actually been covered before:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=77079
"The Phantom Grip is a very simple device, that does a very simple task. It is literally just two hard steel plates and 4 springs. It installs inside the stock diff, and applies pressure to the spyder gears, pushing them against the back of the casting that holds all the gears together. This pressure causes additional friction resisting the operation of the differential, just like a clutch type diff. The difference, of course, is that instead of clutch packs wearing, you have only metal on metal friction surfaces (with oil inbetween). There are several springs available to tune the amount of lockup desired.
I've had one for two years in my turbo E Mod Civic autocross car (the white Fastech 86 Civic for those who've been to any of the east coast tours or nationals). It worked for about a year and a half, then seemed to get weak. I pulled the tranny, expecting to see a bunch of metal and wear, and was supprised that there was basically no wear. I replaced the springs with the new stiffer ones, and it works great again.
There are comments about the Phantom Grip from quite a few serious racers on http://www.rivergate5speed.com
-Chris"
My brother has a 95 elcipse with bigger turbo and stuff, he has about 320hp, he is faster than an E46 m3 (staight line of course)
He has had no problems with it. His car has high mileage and no problems.
If some just says it sucks, who cant even explain why, then disregard their post.
Search around on some other forums, alot of people actually do have them in their cars
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Re: Phantom grip lsd? (BLK94RS)
go ahead and get one if u dont have the money for a Quaife... the phantom is a cheap alternative for an LSD...
if you just want a way to get both front wheels to lock together during wheel spin then any LSD works... if you want something with reliability and performance in mind your gonna need a gear type LSD. Clutch pack type LSDs are cheaper but by design they wear out and wil have to replace the clutch packs. plus they do not allow for different wheel rpms that is needed when cornering.. say in a parking lot .... or autoX.. it wil eat the **** out of your tires. They are only good for straight line racing.. which if thats all u want then get it.
the gear type LSD is good for cornering and drag racing. It will ensure that both wheels have the appropriate power, based on torque. On a corner it will provide the outer wheel more power than the inner wheel.. it drastically reduced understeer in my GSR. In a parking lot if I punch it around a tight corner I can produce slight oversteer because the front end tightens up and litterly pulls the car around the corner.
oh and my Quaife has a lifetime warranty, unlimited miles.. does the phantom?
do u want to pay someone or spend 10+ hours yourself to have to open up your tranny more than once - if it breaks or wears out.
I dont have any links for you.. I did all my own research awhile back.
maybe someone else can find a nice page that explains how differentials works and the differences between them..
if you just want a way to get both front wheels to lock together during wheel spin then any LSD works... if you want something with reliability and performance in mind your gonna need a gear type LSD. Clutch pack type LSDs are cheaper but by design they wear out and wil have to replace the clutch packs. plus they do not allow for different wheel rpms that is needed when cornering.. say in a parking lot .... or autoX.. it wil eat the **** out of your tires. They are only good for straight line racing.. which if thats all u want then get it.
the gear type LSD is good for cornering and drag racing. It will ensure that both wheels have the appropriate power, based on torque. On a corner it will provide the outer wheel more power than the inner wheel.. it drastically reduced understeer in my GSR. In a parking lot if I punch it around a tight corner I can produce slight oversteer because the front end tightens up and litterly pulls the car around the corner.
oh and my Quaife has a lifetime warranty, unlimited miles.. does the phantom?
do u want to pay someone or spend 10+ hours yourself to have to open up your tranny more than once - if it breaks or wears out.
I dont have any links for you.. I did all my own research awhile back.
maybe someone else can find a nice page that explains how differentials works and the differences between them..
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From: charlotte, nc
Re: Phantom grip lsd? (FAST94GSR)
I have one I have had it for about 6 months. I haven't had a problem. But it is made to help straight line performance not cornering like the quaife and kaaz. So it depends on what you are looking for.
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