d spamony

alright thanks everyone for all ur insight i reallllllllllllly appreciate it and ill fill u guys in once i get it

FastAllmotorLsVtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d spamony &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright thanks everyone for all ur insight i reallllllllllllly appreciate it and ill fill u guys in once i get it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Jeeez finally u decide to get it!

d spamony

lol well let me correct myself, not get it, get one lol now i hafta find the right one

SeaBass

Driving slow cars until I was 22 years old is the main reason why my liscence is clean and I pay ridiculously low insurance for a 25 year old male.

&lt;--- first car '86 Pontiac 6000LE, 2nd car '88 Nissan V6 Pickup 4x4, 3rd car '91 Ford Escort Pony.

Slow cars rule

JokerTypeR

Let me tell ya'll ALL a little some some. It'll (I'm certain) go along with some of what's already been said. Agreed, teenager once, live it like it is, and spend YOUR money as you want. However, it's not only teens (By the way, I am 18yrs old...but don't look down on me for the age, rather look at the fact that I DO have several miles under my tires) that run the streets. It's 15 up to 90+ (heaven forbid, either extreme is just as deadly as the other). Being a teenager, we like power and showing off. That's why strips were made. As for him being smart? That's up to his maturity level. Hell, I started with a 94 Dodge Caravan...mommy's baby-blue minivan. Oddly enough, it COULD spin tires! But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter what you get or drive as to whether you'll get a ticket or not. You can get 'em in a pinto, you can get them in a diablo. It all depends on how you'll drive it. Got a friend who bought a supra with HIS OWN money, and has no tickets, and never hurt himself nor the car. Don't give me any "I'll be responsible" BS, cuz honestly, we don't know, nor do we care, we only hope that you will be. It's what's in you. I told my parents the same "privelege, not a right" speech, I earned several tickets in my 2 years of driving so far...and one of those years, my license was revoked. Little tip, TICKETS ADD UP! Ask ANYONE that's gotten one (or more) Court costs, lawyers, and most of all insurance. For me, right now, as is, I pay 3400/mo. for MINIMUM coverage to drive my 96 Ram 2x4 5.9L 1500 and my 91 std. 4spd. D15 civ hatch. What's worse about that rate is that's ONLY 6 months coverage. To he (or she) who said you can't have skills at a young age of driving, that's bullshit. If you're mature and smart about it and find a parking lot (WITH PRIVELEGE!!!!!!!) and set up cones you can spend hours auto-crossing, dragging, braking, sloleming your car, spinning it, slick-top, black-top, concrete, slick-concrete, wet, dry, ANYTHING. You CAN master your car almost to the "T", no matter your age. But it takes HOURS of practice and again, no, this does not cover skills needed for that stupid middle-aged businessman who cuts from the left lane across 8 lanes of traffic to hit his exit within 1/8th of a mile during rushhour. Quick example, MOTOX Travis Pastrana, wasn't he like 15 at his WORLD CHAMIONSHIP? You can do amazing things at all ages. Please, be advised, I am highly against street-performance without practice...I take that back...Stree-performance at all in un-designated areas. There ARE too many teens getting killed thinking those stock civic tires can stick you to a 45degree turn doing 80. My advice to all coming into this world as drivers: Pay for your car, Learn your car, Build your car, and be smart about where you're driving and how you're driving in that area. It's your best bet. And keep cars fun and as a hobby and do it yourself with your own money. Earn it. Trust me, the rewards mentally are MORE than you can ever imagine. Not to mention you WILL respect it more...

d spamony

thx for the insight

virginia_dude

Well I for one said that but I know I wasn't alone. At 18 you think you have skills. By the time you are 28 you are going to laugh at those same words.

You have some miles under your belt? Try 1.2 million miles I have driven. I have put a lot of Miles on 14 different cars. I got my License to drive in 1978. You are very right about the insurance end. Problem is most 16 year olds are on their parents policies and really don't give it a thought. IF parents told then you have your OWN policy, you pay all the fees or you don't drive.

Fact is most of the stories I hear about how I did it all with my own money really isn't so. Parents have them on their policy (subsidised rates) or they help with gas or repairs or whatever. Can't say I knew anyone living at home who truely did it all alone.

Reality strikes when you move out on your own and really do have to do it yourself. By then a lot have racked up tickets and have HUGE insurance rates like you point out about your own.

I pay $580 a year on my '89 Civic hatch with B16, I also pay the same for my 3/4 ton Diesel 4 wheel drive GMC, My Saturn, and my Mercedes.

I pay about $400 a year full coverage on my Harley.

Put a fast car under the Butt of 97% of your teenagers, and there is going to be trouble. Lack of driving experience, Peer Pressure, Lack of self control, and the old testosterone rush a fast car brings.

How can I say this. I was throught all that myself. I thought the same thing you think at that age too. With age comes wisdom. With that wisdom you can laugh at things you used to think were true.

The Key is living long enough to be able to do that. Read the newspapers, around here never a day goes buy without news of some teens and their friends killed in an accident, usually single car, Speed is nearly always a factor. Do you believe none of these kids were showboating, or hotdogging it? Almost always they has a number of friends with them.

I think a 16 year old has no business with a fast or expensive car. Not untill he has real experience. and you don't get that by 18 in 99% of the cases.

Mental maturity is only part of it, learned driver experience is the other.

And you will look back at yourself 10 years from now and know everything I just said is true. Even if you take offense to it today. The truth is the truth. And sometimes it hurts.

Maybe he has the maturity, maybe he doesn't. I can't say I don't know him. I can say about 95% of teenage guys don't even though they will argue till they are blue in the face they are.

Maturity is also being able to step back and recognise your limitations.

JokerTypeR

Well-put, well-put. Obviously, as you know from experience, I will take offense to some of the stated, but I'm not going to fight it simply because you are right, despite my young instinct against it. I probably will look back in the future; my statement is simply a note from the other side of the age spectrum. Although I don't know exactly the mileage, it IS up there, but I don't think quite as high as yours. Mine are several road trips, and two driving jobs, plus being the taxi for friends and such. So yeah, I do have several, but I don't think quite that many, I'm certain of it, haha. Agreed though, age=wisdom and several of these "kids" (stated in maturity level, not age) shouldn't be driving fast cars. But do the teens a favor and don't say that all teens are bad drivers. I know you didn't, don't get me wrong, but many do. To end, I hope no one argues til they are blue in the face with anyone. Cuz...that usually means they're not breathin' and if they ain't breathin', they've got a bigger problem than argueing.

JokerTypeR

One more thought. A teen WILL sink money into a car. Ya'll say teens shouldn't have fast cars, but we shouldn't have rice either. What're we supposed to build? Cuz otherwise the music is too loud. Just a question/thought. Don't get me wrong! I have neither! I have a bug-bombed black/white paint job on my stock-bodied 91 civ hatch, and the same original JUST-ROLLED-193K miled D15/4spd. std. trans. Damn proud of her, didn't really think she'd make this last road trip. She's gettin' a 5spd si trans soon. Also, she might be about to get a stock '96 civ VTEC D16. Final plans will include a B18DOHC, turbo'd (MAYbe NOS'd) and show-with-a-lot-of-go and sound. BUT! For now... she's a piece. LoL

r7

bah, look for bseries turbo crx.

screw the NA bs.

virginia_dude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JokerTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well-put, well-put. Obviously, as you know from experience, I will take offense to some of the stated, but I'm not going to fight it simply because you are right, despite my young instinct against it. I probably will look back in the future; my statement is simply a note from the other side of the age spectrum. Although I don't know exactly the mileage, it IS up there, but I don't think quite as high as yours. Mine are several road trips, and two driving jobs, plus being the taxi for friends and such. So yeah, I do have several, but I don't think quite that many, I'm certain of it, haha. Agreed though, age=wisdom and several of these "kids" (stated in maturity level, not age) shouldn't be driving fast cars. But do the teens a favor and don't say that all teens are bad drivers. I know you didn't, don't get me wrong, but many do. To end, I hope no one argues til they are blue in the face with anyone. Cuz...that usually means they're not breathin' and if they ain't breathin', they've got a bigger problem than argueing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well experience driving is not all about keeping it between the lines, and not buping into parked cars. Its about anticipating and reacting to emergency situations.

An accident is never from something you saw coming. Well rarely anyway.

Its about judgement, knowing what is too fast instinctively, being able to look at the guy in the next lane and anticipate what he's going to do. And keeping alert of whats going on around you, not just whats in front of you.

You don't and can't learn that in a year or two of driving.

How many people had an accident and said yes I saw that coming but I didn't feel like doing anything. Its Always something you didn't see or weren't watching for because your atention was on what your friends were saying or doing or whatever.

If you are so focused on your friends you can't anticipate the other guy or even notice someone is in that lane before you smack into them.

If you thing Drivers training really prepares you for that, you are sadly mistaken.
Try to get a drivers license outside this country. Getting one here is a joke.

I spent 5 years in Europe. Getting a license there is an accomplishment.

Getting one here takes 20 minutes of studying.

The Teenage driver who thinks they are superb drivers and they can't make a mistake are the very ones who need an attitude adjustment because they are overconfident.

Overconfidence, stupidity, and lack of attention will all get you a burial plot adn a headstone in the blink of an eye.

Anyone over 28 reading this knows what I mean. Most people under 18 won't understand it because they don't have the perspective of experience.

virginia_dude

I am not putting anyone down, just pointing out the facts to some people who may not think about them. Or wouldn't listen because it was their parents preaching to them.

I am a fellow Honda driver who doesn't want to hear that any of you killed themselves for any of the obove mentioned reasons.

SiRex91

Go for it if you think you're responsible enough to drive it. When I was 16 I had a turbo'd sohc EG w/ an ACT Xtreme clutch. Had the car for 2.5 years and never ever had a ticket or an accident It all depends on the person. Some kids can **** up any car, no matter how fast or slow it is.

JokerTypeR

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I am a fellow Honda driver who doesn't want to hear that any of you killed themselves for any of the obove mentioned reasons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Very well understandable. But I am 18 and do understand what you're saying believe it or not. Cuz although I haven't BEEN through dodging three rolling cars and such, I have SEEN it happen, and you're right, there is no preparing for it. And what were you in Europe for? I'm looking to go military and may spend some time there if I can get some in. It'd be a trip to see exactly how much of a joke our license testing is. Hell, ours is common sense. Believably so, I didn't even read the book and have passed every test I've ever taken for the drivers exam. Even for my permit and first license. I've heard we're smacking the podge (or so to say) on our exams, and I'm wantin' to see theirs. Anyways, back on topic of the kid wantin' the rex. Just be smart. Virginia dude, I'm on your side, but if he thinks he can do it, best of skill to you. I don't say luck, because driving isn't usually luck. And I hop eyou have more than just luck going for you.

JokerTypeR

Actually though, some people I swear DO see trouble coming and dive in anyways, LoL

virginia_dude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JokerTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually though, some people I swear DO see trouble coming and dive in anyways, LoL</TD></TR></TABLE> Find out where they will be, and go the opposite direction..........LOL I have known people like that myself. I knew a girl who ran a redlight hit an ambulance that had lights and sirens on, at a flat and open intersection................................She was daydreaming. SHe really was a ditz...

virginia_dude

I was Working on an Army base in Italy from 88-92 So technically I am a civilian Gulf war vet. Maintaining a Communications center.

Drivers test are no joke, the book is as thick as some textbooks. The testing extremely difficult, and long. You would feel like you are taking college board tests and not a drivers test. Not the few questions we have.

I avoided the issues of getting one. I am elligible for citizenship there too. But dual citizenship has issues I don't want to deal with. I spend about a month there every year and just get an international license to drive the Motorcycle I keep registered over there. I have a bike there that I have had registered since 1992 I keep at a sister-in-laws place.

As a Military member you would not be going through the testing process there, but local friends can brief you in. Unless its in the UK its not going to be english. I am fluent in 2 languages with basic skills in 2 more languages. I can conduct all forms of business and have in other than english. In fact I spent an entire year when only time I spoke english was once a month when I talked to my parents.

You may hate the military but you will never forget the time you spend in a foreign country.

Khmi

you say you're 15 1/2... thats means u have a permit or in the process of getting one. I think u should learn how to drive on the streets with an automatic first. Don't want to drive a car for the first time and it a rex with a b16 and a racing clutch. Trust me learing how to drive on the streets and how to drive a stick is VERY hard. I was teaching one of my friends how to drive on the streets and drive stick he ended up hitting a pedestrian. Its just too much to focus on at once. Learn how to drive on a auto, maybe with your parents car, then when u have that down...then learn how to drive a stick.

d spamony

i already know how to drive auto, ive been practicing that for a while

d spamony

allllllrighty my dad test drove the car today and he liked it alot. he said the guy kept it in pretty much perfect condition and its a quick little car. so unless i get any other offers, im probably gettin it

d spamony

it meaning the crx w/ b16 that passes CA smog lol

Quik89Si

Good luck with your choice, if you do go with the B16'd CRX. Don't forget, you have the choice whether you're going to get in trouble or not with the car.

Honestly - every time I get in a car, whether it's a new car of mine or a friends car - I don't feel comfortable pushing it whatsoever until I've driven it for almost a month.

I started off with a 99 Civic DX, which was probably good - it was very slow and un-performance minded. Then I got my CRX, and was very, very gentle on it until I got very comfortable with the car itself as well as my driving skills. Finally, I recently traded in my Civic for a Mazdaspeed Protege. Believe me, I rarely dip into boost at all when there are other cars around. It simply isn't needed, much like hitting VTEC in rush-hour traffic.

Finally, be responsible, sensible, and overall, pray that you don't see cherries and berries in that mirror

Alex

d spamony

lol thanks bro. awwwwwww man i cant wait til i get it. ill post some pics when i get it

redhatchback94

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nations Sickest CRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey when i was 15 1/2 i bought my first crx, $500. 88 si. no motor. i worked my butt off that whole summer. BAM i bought my b16a. installed it(my self). i was 16 at the time. drove it, smoked some ppls, (Alot of ppls) the thing is, u have to be responsilbe. thats all. if ur A.D.D. then hold off for a bit. im 17 right now and i got about $7000 into my crx. hahaha thats not even painted yet. and learn about that car. i did my own clutch job(kevlar stage 3). yup my and a friend of mine who noes nothin about hondas. keyword is work hard. </TD></TR></TABLE>

dude this fool is full of ****, dj tell em the truth, u had that one guy put the motor for u, $7,000!!!???!?!? tell me what you bought!!!

dgonzals

agree with mr s on this one....