Ignition Timing Service Connector
#1
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Ignition Timing Service Connector
Hello guys,
I have a 99 Civic VP (Value Pack) sedan which is like a CX/DX, automatic with a D16Y7.
I'm trying to check the timing and I can't find the service connector. What color should it be and where exactly do I look for it? I tried looking under the dash on the passanger side but I couldn't find it.
Thanks!
I have a 99 Civic VP (Value Pack) sedan which is like a CX/DX, automatic with a D16Y7.
I'm trying to check the timing and I can't find the service connector. What color should it be and where exactly do I look for it? I tried looking under the dash on the passanger side but I couldn't find it.
Thanks!
#2
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
I tried measuring the ignition timing without connecting the service connector and when I switch the timing light to 12 degree advance the notch is right where it has to be (at 12 degree BTDC) but when I switch the timing light to 0 degree advance the 0 BTDC (or TDC) notch is not lined up with the notch on the crank housing. Am I expecting wrong results when I switch to 0 advance on the timing light or is it that the ignition timing is not set correctly?
Maybe on the civic I have there's no 0 BTDC notch and only the 12 BTDC notch exists, is that possible?
Thanks!
Maybe on the civic I have there's no 0 BTDC notch and only the 12 BTDC notch exists, is that possible?
Thanks!
Last edited by civic_driver; 04-16-2009 at 03:51 PM.
#4
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
in the same boat as you, but after some google searching i've found the answer, on that, i can't believe this isn't in the FAQs... anyways, links.
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=97312
http://www.hondacarforum.com/honda-2...on-timing.html
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/timing/timing.php
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f55/...across-268106/
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=97312
http://www.hondacarforum.com/honda-2...on-timing.html
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/timing/timing.php
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f55/...across-268106/
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Thanks, that should do it about the service connector, I will check it in a second.
About the second question, for example this site shows 4 notches for measuring the ignition timing (http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/timing/timing.php). It shows 0 BTDC, 14 BTDC, 16 BTDC, and 18 BTDC. On my honda it's 12 BTDC (instead of 16) and I think that's the only notch on the crank pulley (it's white in color). I don't think the red and the green notches exist on my civic. Does anyone who has taken out the motor and looked at it in detail know if that's the case?
That last link is excellent. Thanks!
Btw, Swansen, did you find the connector on your civic?
Edit: I just tried looking for the service connector and I couldn't find it. I looked on the right side below the glove box. Is it behind the glove box or below it? What color is it? Is it plugged into something or is it just hanging in there? Do I have to remove the ECU kick panel (to uncover the ECU) in order to see the connector?
About the second question, for example this site shows 4 notches for measuring the ignition timing (http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/timing/timing.php). It shows 0 BTDC, 14 BTDC, 16 BTDC, and 18 BTDC. On my honda it's 12 BTDC (instead of 16) and I think that's the only notch on the crank pulley (it's white in color). I don't think the red and the green notches exist on my civic. Does anyone who has taken out the motor and looked at it in detail know if that's the case?
That last link is excellent. Thanks!
Btw, Swansen, did you find the connector on your civic?
Edit: I just tried looking for the service connector and I couldn't find it. I looked on the right side below the glove box. Is it behind the glove box or below it? What color is it? Is it plugged into something or is it just hanging in there? Do I have to remove the ECU kick panel (to uncover the ECU) in order to see the connector?
Last edited by civic_driver; 04-16-2009 at 04:29 PM.
#7
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
well... just noticed you have a 99.. so i'm not sure if its the same, but i found it, mine is green, or has a green rubber sheath on it. F HONDA THOUGH, seriously, i'm going to have to take the ECU out to get at the damn plug... this is just ridiculous, honda wasn't really thinking here... Its like in the first picture, next to the ECU right by the connector for the harness.
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On my 92 civic I found it no problem but I can't find it on my 99 civic. Gotta look tomorrow morning when the sun comes up. It's too dark outside right now.
#9
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F'N A, seriously, took me almost an hour to get that connector out... ANYWAYS, mo betta links.
http://alflash.com.ua/honda.htm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t407937.html
http://www.crxsi.com/manuals/Honda_C...ice_Manual.htm
http://alflash.com.ua/honda.htm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t407937.html
http://www.crxsi.com/manuals/Honda_C...ice_Manual.htm
#10
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I think that second link has it. It's probably in the passenger side kick panel. I'll check tomorrow morning.
THanks for the help, Swansen! Much appreciated!
THanks for the help, Swansen! Much appreciated!
#11
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yeah the service manual link was just for fun, that first link has a picture of what your looking for, so you'll be able to recognize it. But man, just got done, and having three bolts hold down the disty really makes life hard, its advanced like a little bit, but thats as close as i could get it with fiddling around with it for half an hour.... anyways, that was a battle, hardest ignition i have ever timed.... (don't think mini-me swap helped any though)
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Okay, I found the service connector on my honda. It's located behind the kickpanel on top of the ECU (I had to remove the kick panel to access it). The connector itself is blue and is plugged in a green, rubber housing. Hope this helps anyone looking for it on 96-00 civics.
Now my other question still remains. Does anyone know if the 99 civic has only one notch (which is at 12 BTDC) on the crank pulley or does it have more and I just can't see them?
Thanks!
Now my other question still remains. Does anyone know if the 99 civic has only one notch (which is at 12 BTDC) on the crank pulley or does it have more and I just can't see them?
Thanks!
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Those marks can get so dirty they are invisible, or the paint chips off. All four marks should be there. Try some acetone, PB Blaster or brake cleaner on a q-tip to at least uncover the etchings. Maybe re-paint them with nail polish.
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
Hello guys,
I have a 99 Civic VP (Value Pack) sedan which is like a CX/DX, automatic with a D16Y7.
I'm trying to check the timing and I can't find the service connector. What color should it be and where exactly do I look for it? I tried looking under the dash on the passanger side but I couldn't find it.
Thanks!
I have a 99 Civic VP (Value Pack) sedan which is like a CX/DX, automatic with a D16Y7.
I'm trying to check the timing and I can't find the service connector. What color should it be and where exactly do I look for it? I tried looking under the dash on the passanger side but I couldn't find it.
Thanks!
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
sorry too bump in on your thread civic driver but if your timing was off would your performance be affected all through the RPMS or could it happin after say 2500 RPM and run like poo after that
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The performance is usually affected after a certain RPM unless the timing is really out of whack (in which case it will run like crap all the time). The reason being is that the car runs fine at higher RPMs if the timing is say advanced but at lower RPMs it detonates because the piston is close to TDC (Top Dead Center) when the explosion occurs.
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this is the first i've heard of this ignition timing service connector. Im going to be swapping an OBD1 b-series engine into a 2000 civic. when i adjust the timing on initial start up do i need to jump this connector? thanks in advance
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You can call it a ignition service connector but that and the ecu jumper is the same things. You jump this to check codes and set ignition timing. You do it so you can set the base without the ecu adjusting it based on loads, rpm, ect. It allows you to properly set the base timing. Its as simple as1,2,3. 1-jump service connector, 2-attach timing light, 3-loosen distributor and adjust accordingly
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The performance is usually affected after a certain RPM unless the timing is really out of whack (in which case it will run like crap all the time). The reason being is that the car runs fine at higher RPMs if the timing is say advanced but at lower RPMs it detonates because the piston is close to TDC (Top Dead Center) when the explosion occurs.
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Re: Ignition Timing Service Connector
I need to replace the distributor and reset timing on a Gen 1 2000 Honda CRV . Can someone please tell me where the ignition timing service connector for this vehicle is located. -Thanks
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