ERIC1

i dont care what the hell u say!!! an automatic 94 ls teg vs 99 civic si
should of been an *** rape!!! even a Y8 will rape that automatic ls teg!!!
let me explain a little the si has more Hp, higher rev, V-tec, better tranny = Rape

itsnotfast

You obviously put to much faith in a B16. You also have no idea what you talking about because can't seem to comprehend "power to weight ratio".. I guess thats just to hard for your little brain to understand.

D16SiHatch

where'd you get those numbers there genious?

the weights i'm finding for the teg are 2560 and 2643 lbs (autos.msn.com). so it actually might be heavier than the Si.

you fail sir.

B Eazy

Fast is only relative when comparing it to something else. Such as, my d16 civic is fast compared to a geo metro.

itsnotfast

Ok, I stand corrected on the weights. I googled "94 LS Integra curb weight" and this is what I got:
Integra Specs, 0-60, Horsepower(1986-89,90-93,94-2001) - Acura ...
4 posts - Last post: Apr 20, 2006
Curb Weight: 2326lbs (1055kg)* Weight Distribution: 60/40 ..... 1994-2001-Acura-Integra-94801011990105.jpg (38.3 KB, 4113 views) ...
http://www.acuraworld.com/.../integr...-2001-a-66263/ -

You were right on the first number you found.
Vechile Dimensions: (Coupe)
Wheelbase, in. 101.2
Overall Length, in. 172.4
Overall Width, in. 67.3
Overall Height, in. 52.6
Curb Weight, lbs. 2529
Add 35.2lbs for A/T Version
Cargo Volume, cu. ft. 13.0
Fuel Capacity, gals. 13.2 13.2
Seating Capacity 4
Front Head Room, in. 38.6
Max. Front Leg Room, in. 42.7
Front Stabilizer Bar: 22mm (94-99);24mm (00-01)
Rear Stabliizer Bar: 13mm
Front Brakes: Ventilizted, 10.3 in disc type
Rear Brakes: Solid 9.4 in disc type
Steering: Rotary-valve, variable power-assisted rack and pinion
Turning Circle: 34.8 ft
Weight Distribution: 64/36


Thats still not that much of a difference, less than 2 more pounds per horsepower.

newtron63h

"less than 2 more pounds per horsepower"

you obviously dont realize what a HUGE difference that is.

ERIC1

DC 1994 Acura Integra LS Coupe AT 2685
Thats the official weight of a AUTOMATIC teg
1999 Honda Civic Si CPE MT 2612

the integra is heavier = u sir (itsnotfast) Fail!

SergEK

Bingo

newtron63h

"less than 2 more pounds per horsepower"

why dont you try converting that into a percentage and see what a big difference that makes.

i havent even bothered to do the math but lets say you have a bone stock b16 and you magically got 5% more power......just 5%, doesnt sound like much.........that puts you at 168hp, that seemingly insignificant 5% just got you 8hp. pretty big difference difference if you ask me. its the kind of difference that shows up on the time-slip.......IF you can drive.

99r

This thread is full of fail and no one listening.

How bout we get some time slips, some videos, and people doing comparison runs.

Physical evidence > Numbers and facts from the internet + Bullshit quarter mile times from morons.

D16SiHatch

i forgot he mentioned auto and i quoted the manual trans weight lol. so the teg really is heavier and slower in every way possible. wow, i don't even know what he was thinking there saying the teg is faster.

fastestsohcvtec

b16s r suppose t b faster but its the luck of the motor. ive killed plenty of swapped hatchs n crx's. if ur motors blessed n u can drive, then u can win. jux check my page on youtube. 9th page "singlecam" silver hatch w black hood and one piece black projectors.

forcefedferio

does anyone else have any magical input on this subject?

now i've heard it all.

pure gold, you can't spell, your english skills suck, and you have atleast a mild case of MR.

WavyIntegra

If your single cam was FORMERLY Turbo, i'm guessing that it's drivetrain is far from stock. Does this change the scenario? Somewhat, it means that your D16z6 may be coming it a little hot over it's 125hp/106tq number, by how much? Who knows..

STILL, it's a b16, yes a power advantage but that thing still makes single cam torque numbers, in fact, a B16 makes as MUCH and in a few cases LESS Torque at the wheel then a given Single Cam. Is this important to consider? YES, because TORQUE can compensate for lack of horsepower.

Also, is this race JUST to 3rd gear? IF he is infact in a COUPE and you're in a hatch then WEIGHT plays a part, MAJOR part, and may be the deciding factor, EVEN STILL, if this is a full 1/4 mile run, the driver of the b16 SHOULD gradually pull away from you by the beginning of second, end of 3rd. YOU MAY be the better driver of the two, and getting better launches in a LIGHTER car, but if I had to wager I'd say in a 1/4 mile, that b16 should pull on you and win.

Realistically you'd be seeing about 110 give or take on horses to the wheel, and MAYBE about 90-100lb-ft torque while the B16 would be seeing something like 130 give or take to the wheel and STILL, about 90-100lb-ft torque to the wheel..SLIM margins somewhat, so it's definitely the fact that you weigh less and you're the better driver that is keeping this race as close as you're making it seem. THat's my take on it anyway.

newtron63h

gotta disagree slightly on your numbers there id put a completely stock z6 at about 106-112hp and 89-94ft/lbs. but a bone stock b16 should be at 136-144hp and 98-104ft/lbs. thats to the wheels of course.

so you are looking at around a 30hp difference and 10ft/lbs. still should be plenty to offset the 100-200lbs of difference in car weights.

and even if the single cam was built for boost it wouldnt have much higher compression IF ANY(and raising compression by 1 point "10:1-11:1" only helps by 2-4% on output). POSSIBLY a hotter cam, but thats about all the internal mods MOST ricers do.

it came down to the driver, pure and simple. you put a stupid, impatient, inexperienced, know-it-all driver in a ferrari and the only thing he will be able to do is put it in a wall or go fast on straights.....but not as fast as he could because...........hed be slow as **** in the corners. and the same logic applies to all other forms of racing. in drag racing.......if you cant launch......you lost(somewhat evenly matched cars)

Lasky

i dont know how this is possible considering a B16 is rated at almost 50 more HP, a couple more lb.ft. of torque and has a transmission thats geared perfectly for the power band of the motor.. ever since i swapped my JDM B16 (Intake, exhaust) into my coupe i have destroyed plenty of D series hatches and coupes, pulled on LS hatches and coupes, kept up with new mustang GT's and bi-turbo Audi S4's, beat new celica GTS's, and the list goes on.. the motor is plenty capable especially when its placed in a light honda chassis and the driver is not retarded - ive seen plenty of basic bolt on B16's run high 14 quarters so im not sure how people think this motor is not fast

im thinking it was just an imprezza not a wrx imprezza, theres no way a d series carrying around an extra 200 lbs. is out running a 230 hp wrx that does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and i can believe the integra story due to the fact that hes got an extra 40 hp and 40 lb.ft. of torque on you

97ej6dx

Many factors involved. If the B16 is worn or isnt tuned correctly, amount of buildup in the engine, timing, fuel type,if the valve guides are warn, tons of stuff its possible for a good running d series against a B series thats been beet mabey has some Miles or KMs on it , depends on if the motor in japan was serviced regularly. Just because its JDM dosent mean its neccecerily faster any thing could have happend to that motor in japan.

CRXREFIC

lol wat have i done with this topic lol

btw my 2nd gear tops out at 80mph oO thats rounding it to.. 83 more precise

300whpej

close this thread before my brain oozes out of my ears and nose