d16y7ej6dude

hey a friend of mine bought a ef hatch an wants 2 ditch the d series an put a decent motor in with a little over 2 grand 2 spend. I know a h22a(non vtec) motor its slef can run close to the 2 grand mark. B20's are really cheap($600-$700) but i heard its a bitch 2 bolt the tranny up2 it. the b18b motor is common an pretty straight forward with good hp/tq #s. i told him he'll spend more money on the h22a motor and their not as common as a swap but if he want some good hp and tq then he should really look in2 it. if ya just want 2 give some opinions thats cool, other wise any help would b greatly appreciated!

Thanks

d16y7ej6dude

btw ik crv tranny wont work out, cant use suv trannyon lil hatchi! another ?, if he goes with the b20, will his civic tranny work out or not?

B16SolMan

b16a--for the price it's the best motor you can put in there. You can get a b20b swap for as low as 600 from some places but it's non vtec. Would still be pretty fast relatively but the b16a is really the way to go. Huge gains for low money when it comes to swaps in that particular car.

edit: Any of the b trannies will work with the b20(except the type r trannies) so you can use a gsr or ls tranny however his d tranny will not. Seriously go with the b16...

d16y7ej6dude

i tried tlkn him in2 a ctr motor! yea should i go with the 2nd gen b16a motor?

slvrcvc93

I have a 2nd gen b16 decent motor If I was choosing though I would do a b20z with a gsr transmission power output is not that far off from the b16 has alot more torque and you have room in the future to do a vtec head and all this will still cost less than 2k. 700 motor 600 trans 500 complete head 200 on a ls-vtec kit
and you have a very good and strong motor. By the way the b20z is the motor with 10.1 compression ratio so it almost like havening a GSR just 2.0 with better torque.

d16y7ej6dude

thanks, so can i find a decent b20z online or should i look at junkyards? and should i go with the b20z head or the ls vtec head? thanks again!

slvrcvc93

Well depends if you want to spend the money right away you can use the entire b20 and get a ls intake manifold drive that for a while or you can get the vtec head and build it off the car.

d16y7ej6dude

arite, thanks, i'll talk 2 my friend and see what he wants 2do. thanks again!

superfast666

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16y7ej6dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey a friend of mine bought a ef hatch an wants 2 ditch the d series an put a decent motor in with a little over 2 grand 2 spend. I know a h22a(non vtec) motor its slef can run close to the 2 grand mark. B20's are really cheap($600-$700) but i heard its a bitch 2 bolt the tranny up2 it. the b18b motor is common an pretty straight forward with good hp/tq #s. i told him he'll spend more money on the h22a motor and their not as common as a swap but if he want some good hp and tq then he should really look in2 it. if ya just want 2 give some opinions thats cool, other wise any help would b greatly appreciated!

Thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

first off there is no h22a non vtec second its just as easy to bolt the tranny to the b20 as any other b series and if you shop smart you could spend under a grand for any of the swaps you mentioned you should try using the search but before you post stupid questions

ivan93egreppin210

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16SolMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16a--for the price it's the best motor you can put in there. You can get a b20b swap for as low as 600 from some places but it's non vtec. Would still be pretty fast relatively but the b16a is really the way to go. Huge gains for low money when it comes to swaps in that particular car.</TD></TR></TABLE> yea [freak]in right. have you ever driven a stock b16. to say "huge gains" is the biggest overstatement off the year. he might as well just boost his current setup. that b16 will feel like a cammed d16z6with i/h/e. tell him to go b20z even if he doent go vtec right away. in my integra i have stock b20z2 with 9:6 compression, gsr tranny and thats it. my car eats 99-00 si's all day. its way more midrange than a b16. besides for the price of a b16 you can go b20vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16SolMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">edit: Any of the b trannies will work with the b20(except the type r trannies) so you can use a gsr or ls tranny however his d tranny will not. Seriously go with the b16...</TD></TR></TABLE>he needs a cable b16 tranny.

Hawkze_2.3

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16y7ej6dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I know a h22a(non vtec) motor its slef can run close to the 2 grand mark. </TD></TR></TABLE>

All H22s have VTEC.

d16y7ej6dude

yea it sounds like my friend is goin withthe b20 or the b18. imma try 2 talk him in2 the b20 though b/c of the good price an kick *** tq!

aquabob89

Dude dont get a b16. You wont feel any difference from your single slammer as you do with the b16 until after 5 something. GSR's are overpriced b18c1/c. Bet they are by far one of the best motors. I had one in my hatch and it rolled out. I have an h22 prelude now; I like the h22 yet it doesnt get great gas mileage but vtec sounds cool, its not fast in the prelude due to lack of lots of weight. B20 is your best option with your cash. Later down the road he can put a vtec head on it and have a very quick car. Or a turbo kit. I could post video links of my buddies b20 coupe boosted beating evo 8s. Get the b20 with a b16 tranny.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ivan93egreppin210 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> yea [freak]in right. have you ever driven a stock b16. to say "huge gains" is the biggest overstatement off the year. he might as well just boost his current setup. that b16 will feel like a cammed d16z6with i/h/e. tell him to go b20z even if he doent go vtec right away. in my integra i have stock b20z2 with 9:6 compression, gsr tranny and thats it. my car eats 99-00 si's all day. its way more midrange than a b16. besides for the price of a b16 you can go b20vtec

he needs a cable b16 tranny. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree.

The problem is a lot of people just read the HP #'s on Wikipedia and all of a sudden have opinions.

They don't realize That the B16A feels like a D16Z6 before 4k RPMs affecting daily driving (where you don't go past 4k RPM's) a grand total of "none." They also don't realize that despite the less HP of an LS or B20 over a B16, they have a ****-ton more torque, and the only reason they lose is due to their longer gearing vs the B16's short-as-**** gearing, but other that, their HP is higher for so little of the power band it usually doesn't make 'em winners.

I say go for an LS or B20 any day over a B16. You'll feel it in daily driving, and with a shorter trans it'll be very snappy, for a lot less than a B16. Plus, LS/V or B20/V is a nice motor, IMO.

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first off there is no h22a non vtec second its just as easy to bolt the tranny to the b20 as any other b series and if you shop smart you could spend under a grand for any of the swaps you mentioned you should try using the search but before you post stupid questions</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, but you can go with the H23 block (non-VTEC) with an H22 head which is a nice setup . Also, though with hasport H22 to civic mounts and special hasport H22 in civic axles (Or you can use 1g 'teg axles) you end up paying a lot more than you will for a simple B20 or B18A/B swap.

slvrcvc93

You see they all agree with me.

yoontim23

I say go with the B20 and get a B16 tranny.

ivan93egreppin210

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree.

The problem is a lot of people just read the HP #'s on Wikipedia and all of a sudden have opinions.

They don't realize That the B16A feels like a D16Z6 before 4k RPMs affecting daily driving (where you don't go past 4k RPM's) a grand total of "none." They also don't realize that despite the less HP of an LS or B20 over a B16, they have a ****-ton more torque, and the only reason they lose is due to their longer gearing vs the B16's short-as-**** gearing, but other that, their HP is higher for so little of the power band it usually doesn't make 'em winners.

I say go for an LS or B20 any day over a B16. You'll feel it in daily driving, and with a shorter trans it'll be very snappy, for a lot less than a B16. Plus, LS/V or B20/V is a nice motor, IMO.
</TD></TR></TABLE> this is the best advice in this thread.

even just a regular nonvtec ls is bad *** with vtec tranny. everyone thinks the ls is slow but it only feels slow due to to long *** gears.

ls motor + b16 tranny + ef hatch =a big fat smile

then boost it .

THC07

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first off there is no h22a non vtec second its just as easy to bolt the tranny to the b20 as any other b series and if you shop smart you could spend under a grand for any of the swaps you mentioned you should try using the search but before you post stupid questions</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree.

Also with syndacate.

this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
Bseries BOOO!!!

slacks

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this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
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this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
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this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
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this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
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this is a pointless thread, lock it!. use the damn search.
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there's hardly any tech in this forum anymore

ivan93egreppin210

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there's hardly any tech in this forum anymore </TD></TR></TABLE>

ok ask a question, any question and i bet it can be answered by doing a search. what are we supposed to do? never ask a question again because it can be found using a search. maybe we should just lock every forum and only use the search button.

Juan_Mitosis

Isn't there a STICKY in this forum that answers this question completely? Just wondering. . .

anyways, LS/VTEC is actually quite a nice setup, and with stock internals they get very good whp. Good luck!