EGCIVICKING95

Hey Honda-Tech,

I gonna start gather parts to build a turbo D16Z6 soon. Id like to get a 300 WHP DD by the time im done with the build. Ive been lookin around some forums & came up with this basic parts list. Lemme kno what you think, what parts i should add or change out & i also have a few questions that id greatly appericate if anyone could answer them.

PARTS LIST:
-Vitara Pistons 8.5:1 Compression Ratio. 75mm bore
-Eagle Rods
-New main bearing (cant decide on a brand HELP!!)
-ZEX 59300 cam
-Crower Valvetrain
-Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
-Skunk2 Intake Manifold
-70MM Throttle Body
-T3/T04e 57 trim .63
-3" Exhaust
-SSAC Turbo Manifold and Downpipe
-DSM 450 Injectors
-Hondata S300
-ACT Clutch

QUESTIONS:
-Ive nvr heard of that cam, is it good? Should i get a better one??

-Is there any particular brand of 3" exhaust i should run? Keep in mind, i dont want that typical honda fart can sound!!

-Ive read that 450cc injectors struggle to make even 300hp, would i be better off with bigger ones?

-Is there a specific brand of main bearings i should use? I kno reusin the stockies is a BAD idea.

-Ive heard WAY too many horror stories bout EBAY turbos, any recommendations on a good T3/T04e 57 trim .63 that wont kill my pocket or even a bigger turbo??

-Are the SSAC Turbo mani and down pipe any good or should those be replaced as well? If so with what?

-Besides the parts listed are there any other parts i need to know bout besides turbo basics like a BOV, Intercooler, & Piping??

-Would if be cheaper to buy a complete turbo kit instead of piecing together my own?? If so any reccomendations on a good kit??

5spdfrk

Have you checked out www.d-series.org? There's a better chance of you getting answers to your questions over there.

jdmcivic2fast

a garrett or turbonetics 57 trim would be nice
honda oem and acl bearings are one of the most used on honda engines, they are both good. me personally have used both and prefer oem because there are many size you can choose from to get optimal oil clearence. You can do with ACL's too but would require machining the rods big end and main housings to get the clearence you desier.
ssac turbo and headers are junk if you as me, but not sure on their wastegat,bov and intercooler.
piecing a turbo kit would probably be cheaper if you can find stuff on a deal, you can come up with decent turbo kit for less money but might take some time to find it.

oh and on a D, u migt have to really turn up the boost to get 300hp, im comparing it to a B. Good luck

EGCIVICKING95

No i havent, but ill give it a shot thanks.



hmm, the less machining id have to get done the better but if i really do have to up the boost like you say will OEM Honda bearings be able to handle that?? Im in no big hurry to find parts, just piecing it together as i get the money. I plan on doin a fully built motor with my turbo set-up and from wat ive read the d-series can handle high boost well, when built properly. I just dont wanna spend any where from 3k-5k for a b-series swap, + the money to build and boost it when my D-series is readily availble, thanks for the advice tho.

silverwrench

i would probably leave the head and intake manifold stock if you only want 300whp

EGCIVICKING95

Na, why cheap out if on the head and intake mani if ima build everything else?? I want atleast 300whp, but if i can get more ima have at it.

catsman50

imo your building a motor and putting cheap *** pistons in it doesnt sound like a good idea but each to his own. I know they make power just saying I would go a different route.

ditch the ssac manifold and dp and find a cast iron manifold off ebay if its your dd. they have been proven and are cheaper I believe. have someone weld up a dp for you because half the time they dont fit right.

s300 is good but I would try to find a tuner with ectune or crome or any of the good software out now that use the stock ecu and just get a p28 computer

as for a turbo I would get a holset. they are off the cummins turbo diesel and are great turbos. I was making 235whp on a h1c at 10psi and was seeing full boost at 4200rpms on a 18cm housing which isnt small on my y8 and can be had for 150$ or so from goldfarbs

Hidenplanvew

Ok I made 440 on my d16z6... I would say

Vitara pistons

FJ Rods <--- eagle will give you like 7.5 compression which is very very low and there the same price as eagles and you get 8.5 compression

Stock Cam... Stock cam is good to like 500 hp dont waste your money and alot of people were having problems with zex cam (would be better to port your head then buy a cam... Delta Cams makes the best cam shafts for D series)

supertech valve springs and ret or use stock retainers

Walbro 225

Y8 intake manifold (called the type R intake of the D world)

B18b1 Throttle body, it bolts right up

Cast iron manifold

Depending on fuel I would get 800-1000cc injectors

3 inch exhaust (just have an exhaust shop do this)

comp clutch stage 3 or 4

Wavetrack lsd ( D series trans blow diffs quick under boost)

Hondata s300 (depends on what YOUR tuner uses, dont pick till you find out what tuners in your area tune on)

Holset 12cm(Hx35, Hy35 and other variations), Garrett t3, Precision Pt61 What ever your pocket can take

Hidenplanvew

Oh just so you know YCP Vitara pistons hold over 600 hp but they still arnt as good as forged pistons

EGCIVICKING95

After my inital research i saw most ppl were usin the vitara pistons in their turbo set-ups & me bein the noob i am to buildin motors for turbos & turbo kits that was my obvious choice but after more research ive decided on a CP piston & eagle H-Beam rod set.

I think im gonna keep the S300 ECU even tho it is kinda prices, most honda ppl around where i live use it in their cars, so i assume thats wat most tuners use.

Ill have to look into that turbo, as stated i am a complete noob when it comes to buildin a turbo set up so i have no idea as to which parts & brands are good to use.

I would love to make 440hp. If you could PM me your full set-up as far as your motor build and turbo kit i would greatly apperciate it so i can do more research.

After more long hours of searchin around, here is my new list for my build, lemme here some more feedback, everyone is doin great so far, really helpful. This set up may change after more research.
•CP Turbo Pistons & Eagle H-Beam Rods Package
•ACL Racing STD main bearings
•ARP Connecting Rod bolts
•ARP Head Studs
•Crower Stage 2 D16Z6 VTEC Cam
•Crower Cam Gear
•Crower Valve spring & Retainer Kit
•Skunk2 Pros Series Valves
•Supertech bronze valve guides
•Supertech Valve seals
•Honda Civic D16 VTEC full OEM gasket set
•T3/T4 Turbonetics turbo kit*
•Hondata S300 ECU
•Osidetiger's 660cc Custom Turbo Fuel Injectors
•Walbro 255 Fuel Pump kit

* As far as my choice in this turbo kit it is strictly for the turbo itself. Ive heard great things bout the Turbonetics T3/T4 turbo, everything else in the kit might get swapped out.

catsman50

You will hear good and bad things about every turbo.... imo you don't need all that work for the head. I've seen a few setups break 400whp on stock head.

EGCIVICKING95

I may need it i may not, id rather build my motor from top to bottom just to be safe, rather then leave it stock and possibly end up with a problem.

welfarepc

have you ever heard of the saying, "if it aint broke dont fix it" well the same thing applies here.

the more you change the more chance something will go wrong.

KISS.

EGCIVICKING95

I have actually, its one i normally live by. Will the stock top end really hold up against the high boost required to make atleast 300whp? I dont wanna build my bottom end & turbo kit just to have my entire stock head get destroyed.

Sol Flavor

Check out the set-up on this car, and the cams tested in the setup. This is a basic setup that netted 300hp.




http://570sx.blogspot.com/2010/08/d1...ump-grind.html

sonicivic

iTrader: (1)

made 302 whp on my old set up
je pistons
eagle rods
oem bearings
arp headstuds
stock head and intake mani and tb
garrett to4e 57 trim .48 turbine side
pte 780's
s300

EGCIVICKING95

Wow, all those numbers are impressive and done with half the work i plan on doin, It seems 300whp is easier to hit then i originally thought. Anybody got an idea what a full build like the one i have planned could net?? Is 400whp + a possibility??

EGCIVICKING95

Impressive but was it reliable? My car is gonna be my DD, cant go blowin the motor after shes built. Did u have to do any machining work on your block with that piston & rod combo?

catsman50

I've had one bad experience with a one build and that was enough for me to never build a dd again. Go out and buy a ef hatch or sedan for 1k at the most and that way you don't have to worry about dumb **** going wrong.....

Failsafe88

I say go ahead and build the head personally cause you also dont know how long it will take until something does go wrong with the head. I dont know how many miles are on your engine now but that's just my 2 cents

EGCIVICKING95

srry to hear that. Personally i dont like the EF body style, plus i cant afford insurance on another car as i already have 2.

Thats what i was thinkin. My odometer reads 175xxx, but the odometer wasnt workin when i bought the car so who knos what the real mileage is.